Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) shares his message to voters in the Uncommitted Movement who are considering not voting in the presidential race over the Biden administration's handling of Israel.
A vote isn’t an endorsement, you are not personally responsible for the actions of the people you vote for - otherwise trump voters would be in deep shit. Even if you vote for the best politician the world has ever seen that’s still not you doing the politics and you’re not responsible for it. The forces involved are simply larger than a single person.
A vote is a tool to be deployed tactically. Its powerful enough republicans are looking for ways to prevent you from having it.
Look at it this way: Netanyahu would prefer Trump win because he might get more support and expand the genocide of palestinians to US soil. A vote for Kamala likely won’t improve Gaza but it will deny Netanyahu things he wants.
Tactically, there is efficacy in denying the butcher of gaza the things he wants even if it doesn’t go as far as anyone needs it to. Why let Netanyahu win without a fight?
A vote isn’t an endorsement, you are not personally responsible for the actions of the people you vote for
I dont agree. When soneone says they will do something terrible and you vote for them anyway, you have enabled it and have some of that outcome on your hands.
Then you commit to never voting. If you vote for Bernie people will say “oh he endorsed joe biden, he is complicit” but you don’t get to choose the battlefield only the outcome of the battle.
Fundamentally a percentage of politicians will lie, or lack resources to fulfil promises. There is simply nobody on earth that can uphold the promise of never doing something terrible, even on accident.
I reject the idea that war crimes are always the only choice we have in any election. But if thats your slant, OK, why not push for a third option-- getting Harris to stop the shipments by applying voter pressure on her. The only time politicians care about what the elctorate thinks at all is right before a close election, like right now. Why are so many dems not pushing her to take a better stand than she has had?
I actually think stopping shipments is not going to achieve anything. Polling shows its popular (so I disagree that dems aren’t pushing Kamala, Biden, etc) but if Israel just changes arms suppliers its easily undermined. And we don’t even know if like there’s conditions on shipments like “we won’t use nuclear weapons on Gaza if the shipments continue” There’s just too much we don’t know to vote based solely on another country’s actions.
I think a better policy is to just take in gazan refugees and make it harder for hardline israelis to visit the US. Do the pullout from vietnam movie script. Of course this is a less popular policy and it is one dems likely aren’t getting pressure to do, even though its low risk and high preservation of human life.
A vote isn’t an endorsement, you are not personally responsible for the actions of the people you vote for - otherwise trump voters would be in deep shit. Even if you vote for the best politician the world has ever seen that’s still not you doing the politics and you’re not responsible for it. The forces involved are simply larger than a single person.
A vote is a tool to be deployed tactically. Its powerful enough republicans are looking for ways to prevent you from having it.
Look at it this way: Netanyahu would prefer Trump win because he might get more support and expand the genocide of palestinians to US soil. A vote for Kamala likely won’t improve Gaza but it will deny Netanyahu things he wants.
Tactically, there is efficacy in denying the butcher of gaza the things he wants even if it doesn’t go as far as anyone needs it to. Why let Netanyahu win without a fight?
I dont agree. When soneone says they will do something terrible and you vote for them anyway, you have enabled it and have some of that outcome on your hands.
Then you commit to never voting. If you vote for Bernie people will say “oh he endorsed joe biden, he is complicit” but you don’t get to choose the battlefield only the outcome of the battle.
Fundamentally a percentage of politicians will lie, or lack resources to fulfil promises. There is simply nobody on earth that can uphold the promise of never doing something terrible, even on accident.
I reject the idea that war crimes are always the only choice we have in any election. But if thats your slant, OK, why not push for a third option-- getting Harris to stop the shipments by applying voter pressure on her. The only time politicians care about what the elctorate thinks at all is right before a close election, like right now. Why are so many dems not pushing her to take a better stand than she has had?
I actually think stopping shipments is not going to achieve anything. Polling shows its popular (so I disagree that dems aren’t pushing Kamala, Biden, etc) but if Israel just changes arms suppliers its easily undermined. And we don’t even know if like there’s conditions on shipments like “we won’t use nuclear weapons on Gaza if the shipments continue” There’s just too much we don’t know to vote based solely on another country’s actions.
I think a better policy is to just take in gazan refugees and make it harder for hardline israelis to visit the US. Do the pullout from vietnam movie script. Of course this is a less popular policy and it is one dems likely aren’t getting pressure to do, even though its low risk and high preservation of human life.
Thats a flat out lie.
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/stop-us-arms-transfers-israel/
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/25363
https://www.commondreams.org/news/us-weapons-israel-2667435101
What exactly are you accusing of being a lie?
The quote I am replying to is at the top of my reply…
I think you misread the quoted text because its referencing a non-quoted line