Sen. Bernie Sanders released a video late Monday addressing voters who are wary of supporting Democratic nominee Kamala Harris given her role in an administration that is supporting Israel's catastrophic war on the Gaza Strip.
That’s a long ass reply for nothing. I didn’t say not to vote for Harris. I’m not encouraging people to not vote for Harris. I never said that in my original post. I’m just saying that people expect them to do better than just being less worse than Trump on that one point. And I think that’s very valid. Don’t you? I mean is Harris untouchable when it comes to criticism? Can’t we criticize her stance on that one topic even though we want to vote for her?
FWIW I upvoted your comment above that got so many downvotes cuz your comment (and edits) felt super reasonable to me.
With that said - it’s been pointed out to you that the reason people are sensitive about this is because of the astroturfing going on right now and the extreme harm that will come if enough people are convinced again (like in 2016, myself hoodwinked by that episode) to not participate. We will get the worst outcome (like in 2016).
No one is mad at your point of view, I don’t think. I bet most downvoters share it, actually. But the stakes are too high, the recent campaign to disillusion voters too successful (2016), and the time remaining too short - you need to quit it, now, or you’ll be rightfully seen as an enemy to progress.
Your points are important. There are more important things right now, though. As hideously distasteful as that is, that is the situation we’re in today. It isn’t my fault or yours, but here we are.
Edit to add: there will be lots of room to push on policy in every direction once this election is over (and “settled”, woof). Any president on their first term tends to work hard, eventually, to secure a second. That’s our best hope of the changes we want, to push on the Harris/Walz administration with everything we’ve got, for round two. Shitty, but again, these are the cards in our hand. We don’t get to deal or swap them now, we only get to play our hand. If we fuck this up, we really may not get more decent hands than this for a long time (and incalculable suffering, borne by the most vulnerable, until we get there).
Yeah I understand. This shit stain fascist has to disappear. Anyone not willing to vote for Harris because of that issue are just helping Trump.
It’s my belief that Netanyahu is actually very aware of the influence he’s got on this election and using it against Biden and Harris to destroy their reputation. He knows that with Trump he’d get carte blanche to do whatever he wants. Heck, I’d bet he would use nukes against Iran. It would throw us into such a terrible world conflict. Not to mention the new Nazi like world we’d live in. Trump can’t be allowed to win.
That’s a long ass reply for nothing. I didn’t say not to vote for Harris. I’m not encouraging people to not vote for Harris. I never said that in my original post. I’m just saying that people expect them to do better than just being less worse than Trump on that one point. And I think that’s very valid. Don’t you? I mean is Harris untouchable when it comes to criticism? Can’t we criticize her stance on that one topic even though we want to vote for her?
I wasn’t debating you, I don’t disagree with anything you said. You posted a thought provoking comment and I shared my thoughts.
A’ight. ✌️
FWIW I upvoted your comment above that got so many downvotes cuz your comment (and edits) felt super reasonable to me.
With that said - it’s been pointed out to you that the reason people are sensitive about this is because of the astroturfing going on right now and the extreme harm that will come if enough people are convinced again (like in 2016, myself hoodwinked by that episode) to not participate. We will get the worst outcome (like in 2016).
No one is mad at your point of view, I don’t think. I bet most downvoters share it, actually. But the stakes are too high, the recent campaign to disillusion voters too successful (2016), and the time remaining too short - you need to quit it, now, or you’ll be rightfully seen as an enemy to progress.
Your points are important. There are more important things right now, though. As hideously distasteful as that is, that is the situation we’re in today. It isn’t my fault or yours, but here we are.
Edit to add: there will be lots of room to push on policy in every direction once this election is over (and “settled”, woof). Any president on their first term tends to work hard, eventually, to secure a second. That’s our best hope of the changes we want, to push on the Harris/Walz administration with everything we’ve got, for round two. Shitty, but again, these are the cards in our hand. We don’t get to deal or swap them now, we only get to play our hand. If we fuck this up, we really may not get more decent hands than this for a long time (and incalculable suffering, borne by the most vulnerable, until we get there).
Yeah I understand. This shit stain fascist has to disappear. Anyone not willing to vote for Harris because of that issue are just helping Trump.
It’s my belief that Netanyahu is actually very aware of the influence he’s got on this election and using it against Biden and Harris to destroy their reputation. He knows that with Trump he’d get carte blanche to do whatever he wants. Heck, I’d bet he would use nukes against Iran. It would throw us into such a terrible world conflict. Not to mention the new Nazi like world we’d live in. Trump can’t be allowed to win.
I think you’re right. I think Netanyahu is extremely clear on what he’s doing and what outcomes he wants.