The problem isnt commie guy, it’s all the other brainless sheep who keep voting for the same two parties who don’t represent them is definitely commie guy for not understanding that a boring and flawed neoliberal Democrat is preferable to a fascist dictatorship.
Fixed that for you.
Consider this: if all the people forced to vote opted to vote someone else, then the Dems would really understand why they’re failing, and more, you’d have the basis for an actual third party to from.
Wrong answer. That made sense under Clinton vs Bush or Obama vs Romney, not nowadays. We can “consider” your proposal when there’s not a damn fascist dictator threatening to send US citizens to an El Salvadorian gulag for disagreeing with the President.
Then again, commies tend to love gulag’ing people who disagree with them, just ask Stalin… So maybe commie guy sees the gulags as a good thing?
And just who are you to presume to correct anybody’s point of view? Because telling me that commies and fascists like to send people to gulags is doing nothing to change anybody’s mind. Let’s face reality here: that doesn’t hit anywhere close to home, especially when you have so much right-wing media spinning it around and justifying it.
The issues that actually hurt most people, your working class and poor people, are toxic to democrats because they need policies that will hurt their traditional pocket fillers.
They all chose, a long time ago, to serve their masters, and it’s now coming to the breaking point: people can no longer afford to pay rent and basic necessities with their job.
This is when all hell breaks loose, the social contract breaks down, and you have incompetent psychopaths elected into power - because people are desperate and they want shit to change.
You can keep yelling at the top of your lungs that the alternative is awful and horrible and Hitler and gas chambers, but what you’re ever more likely to hear is that “well, at least it ends the despair”.
But sure, ignore everything and keep being as perplexed as most other democrats as to why people keep voting for that buffoon.
The problem with voting for a party simply because “we aren’t fascism” is that it produces the most perverse incentives imaginable. If the only way Democrats can win the White House is by simply not being fascist, what motivation do they have to reform the system so that fascists won’t be able to come back into power?
If there is a free election in 2028, and if Democrats somehow manage to win, they need to act decisively. They need to pass a storm of legislation that drastically curtails the powers of the presidency. If they don’t, then we could be right back with another wannabe dictator Republican in power in 2032. We need to end the emergency powers, curtail the powers of ICE, end the mass surveillance, essentially dismantle the entire post-911 security architecture that put us at such a danger of dictatorship. It’s an evil machine that never should have been built.
This is the fatal error of wanting to support a centrist Dem in 2028. The only way such a candidate is going to get elected is if they can run against the specter of fascism and dictatorship. They have zero motivation to dismantle the tools a future dictator would use; they need there to be a threat of a future dictator in order to win reelection. If that centrist Dem wins in 2028, and makes it so dictatorship is impossible, what are they going to run on in 2032? They need there to be a credible threat of dictatorship in order to win election. A centrist Dem can never dismantle fascism, as the looming potential of fascism is their only hope of getting elected. Centrist Dems want to dangle the threat of fascist dictatorship, like a Sword of Damocles, over your head forever. Corporate Dems will never dismantle what is their only hope of getting and retaining power.
Supporting this, the Dems have literally funded far-right Republican candidates under a “pied piper” strategy, on the assumption that they’ll be easier to beat and to motivate voters to come out to stop them. Donald Trump himself benefited from this strategy, the Dem leadership loves Trump because he gets people so angry and they know they’re the only alternative.
Yeah if you think Bush was an acceptable choice and not a fascist then you don’t really have a leg to stand on with this “commies love gulags” nonsense. You think this El Salvador shit is new? Those of us who were paying attention know that Bush did the same shit, while they did their fair share of torturing alleged “terrorists” with no due process in our own black sites, the worst abuses were conducted in foreign countries like Egypt, when we sent prisoners there knowing full well how they’d be treated. Some of us have been fighting this battle for over 20 years, nice of you to finally wake up and notice now that someone you hate is doing it, but it would be nice if you’d notice when the people you like are doing it too.
It’s so stupid when liberals, defending a system with the largest prison population per capita in the world, with indefinite detention without trial, mass surveillance, etc, still try to take the moral high ground on that issue just because the word “gulag” sounds scary and foreign.
Compared to Trump? Absofuckinglutely. Bush had no desire to be a dictator. Trump absolutely has ambition to be a dictator, and if you can’t figure out how one of those is worse than the other then you’re too clueless to participate in an adult conversation regarding this topic.
Libs will always believe the “it’s not ‘Torture’ it’s ‘enhanced interrogation’” until they are the ones being interrogated. Then, suddenly, it’s ‘torture’, and it’s everyone else’s fault that we got rid of ‘enhanced interrogation’, not their fault for preserving the system.
Just a non-dictatator doing very non-dictatator things like stealing the election, operating secret extrajudicial torture dungeons where people are detained indefinitely without trial, illegally spying on innocent people en masse, and starting multiple wars of aggression.
I wonder how long it will take y’all to start rehabilitating Trump once he’s no longer the current thing.
The prisoners Bush had sent to Egypt were not sent from the US, they were sent from different countries that allowed extradition to Egypt. It was disgusting and abhorrent, but it isn’t the same thing as what we’re seeing now.
Flying people from the US to foreign prisons without due process is a blatant violation of the constitution.
The whole point of having extrajudicial torture dungeons is that they are extrajudicial. They may not have sent US citizens to them (although US citizens were killed in extrajudicial drone strikes), but the only “lawyers” they had access to at Guantanamo were people like Ron DeSantis who posed as a lawyer to try to extract information about which methods the victims found most unpleasant, to be shared with their torturers. If that sort of system exists, it can easily be turned against US citizens, as has happened.
Mass surveillance is a blatant violation of the constitution as well, and when the illegal programs were exposed, not only did no one involved in them get punished in any way, they kept doing them and the person who exposed them was hunted to the ends of the earth.
And meanwhile, immigration courts are basically kangaroo courts where young children can be made to defend themselves with no right to an attorney, and that’s been going on for a long time.
There hasn’t been anything close to rule of law in this country for a long time (if ever). Trump is just continuing the path we’ve been trending towards for a long time in a very overt and rapid way.
Fascism isn’t a choice, or a policy, it’s Capitalism using brutal methods to defend itself, like when the Democrats sent Israel mountains of bombs to obliterate Palestinians. Fascism is not a distinct economic system, but the same underlying system as Capitalism, only when it’s in crisis and needs to defend itself while pretending it’s qualitatively different.
The Liberal answer to the political problems we see is to perpetuate it indefinately and purely act within the system that selects for whatever brutal methods it needs to sustain itself. This isn’t an answer, it’s approval.
As for gulags, I recommend reading Russian Justice. It’s a good thing to jail fascists, Tsarists, and others who would violently try to overthrow a popular government. Or, are you saying you wouldn’t jail Trump if given the opportunity?
As for gulags, I recommend reading Russian Justice. It’s a good thing to jail fascists, Tsarists, and others who would violently try to overthrow a popular government. Or, are you saying you wouldn’t jail Trump if given the opportunity?
“Tsarists”? LMAO
And who’s the authority on who is or is not a “fascist or tsarist”? You? That makes about as much sense as sending people to El Salvador for being imaginary gang members because some jack ass decided that it was a good idea.
The White Army was a group loyal to the Tsar, and fought the Red Army in order to reinstate the Tsarist system. After the Soviets won the Russian Civil War, many former White Army members were persecuted for their crimes by the Soviet Justice System.
The authority on who was or was not a fascist was the Soviet Justice System, and the people of the Soviet Union. I linked Russian Justice since it does a good job laying out how the USSR’s justice system and courts worked. I think you’re deeply confused if you’re insinuating that I am the one who made those decisions, or intend to do so.
The White Army was a group loyal to the Tsar and blah blah blah commie BS
My man, I am a libertarian. Fuck whatever your interpretation of a big government utopia is, because it is most likely wrong.
That being said, I am fully aware of the flaws in my ideology - and there are many - but I enjoy libertarianism because it allows me to tell people like you to “GET OFF MY LAWN!” and not feel morally wrong for it.
That being said, I am fully aware of the flaws in my ideology - and there are many - but I enjoy libertarianism because it allows me to tell people like you to “GET OFF MY LAWN!” and not feel morally wrong for it.
Lmao I’ve never seen someone so explicitly accept that they picked their ideology out at the supermarket.
See, ideas generally fall into two categories, which I call “manmade” and “natural.” “Manmade” ideas are ideas that are specifically crafted to have mass market appeal, to fulfill some psychological urge of some demographic, whereas “natural” ideas are just reflections of the world as it actually exists. Libertarianism is a perfect manmade ideology, it allows you to tell “the man” to fuck off, to “GET OFF MY LAWN!” Who cares if the ideology is actually correct or capable of producing a functioning system? All that matters is that it makes you feel good. It’s no different from people who believe in quack medicine or crystal healing or whatever, it’s “I want to believe.”
People just want to go down to the supermarket and look through all different brands of ideologies until they find the one that really suits their own personal style, and then they bring it home and put it up on the mantle and polish it every day and keep it there, they would never dream of actually using it because they might get dirt on it, and anyway it would probably break since it’s not designed for that, it’s just there to look pretty. A proper ideology should be used so often it’s kept in the toolshed, where it’s rough and worn and not pretty to look at, but it’s designed to actually get the job done, and that ideology should be just as suitable whether you’re a nuerodivergent trans software developer or a Guatemalan dirt farmer. Because the truth is the truth no matter who you are or what your style is.
If you recognize that you only like libertarianism because it makes you feel good to believe in it, then you need to reject it immediately. You don’t just go through live believing whatever makes you feel good regardless of reason or evidence… do you?
Every single one of those elections, the Dems chanting “us or fascism!!”
It’s kinda like the gun safety debate: we can not discuss it within 72 hrs of a mass shooting.
After 72 hrs, nobody wants to talk about it, or we have another one.
When will the Dems actually oppose fascism, instead of saying they want to?
Additionally, who is that “boring liberal republic” better for? Certainly not Palestinians. Certainly not for union workers on our rail lines. Not for people becoming houseless. Not for queer people. Not for indigenous peeps, either…
So, just for white, straight people, so we need to keep supporting it?
Additionally, who is that “boring liberal republic” better for? Certainly not Palestinians. Certainly not for union workers on our rail lines. Not for people becoming houseless. Not for queer people. Not for indigenous peeps, either Definitely Palestinians. Definitely union workers. Definitely homeless. Definitely queer people. Definitely indigenous people.
Fixed that for you.
If Kamala Harris had won, literally all the groups you just mentioned would be far better off than under a literal fascist dictatorship which Trump’s lackeys want to establish.
Honestly? I’m starting to believe lemmy is, like reddit, filled with a bunch of clueless college kids who haven’t set foot in other parts of the world and have no idea what it’s like to live under a dictatorship, and thus take the rights and freedoms they have completely for granted.
Sadly, Trump is about to teach us all a lesson in authoritarianism - You, myself, and everyone else on the planet.
I mean, were Palestinians being genocided in Israel for… most of Biden’s presidency? And didn’t Harris say she fully supported Biden’s policies?
Indigenous people? They are laughing at us right now, because us white people are freaking out about stuff that’s been happening to them since white people showed up here.
Union workers? Come on, it’s not illegal for rail workers to strike in the US, thanks to Biden, who Harris, once again, said, she fully supported his policies.
Good for homeless people, as in creating more homeless people every year? Houselessness was spiking under Biden, and still is…
If Kamala Harris had won, literally all the groups you just mentioned would be far better off than under a literal fascist dictatorship which Trump’s lackeys want to establish.
How so, specifically?
Honestly? I’m starting to believe lemmy is, like reddit, filled with a bunch of clueless college kids who haven’t set foot in other parts of the world and have no idea what it’s like to live under a dictatorship, and thus take the rights and freedoms they have completely for granted.
I’m starting to think you believe the rest of the world is ok with how we treat our citizens, and do the same…
That would be true for the 2000 election as well, but Democrats didn’t fight the SC decision and so we got two expensive wars in the subsequent 8 years that some democrats even supported, demonstrating their fascist sympathies.
Lemmy is full of people who want to actually discuss ways to have a better world, unlike you it seems lmao.
You’re trying to argue the status quo to people who saw what the status quo was since Reagan, but you still don’t get it.
I’m so glad my consistent votes for democrats over my life have definitely not lead me to the precipice of fascism… oh wait.
How would Harris have been better for Palestinians? She was part of an admin that was assisting their genocide and always maintained that she would continue doing that.
… Did you forget how Trump said we were literally going to clean out Gaza and make it into a resort once he was in the office? You’re being very disingenuous.
Another reminder that blueMAGA don’t see Palestinians as human.
Every option with any real chance of being elected supported Israel. Unfortunately your choices are essentially Dem, GOP, or one of several people who is definitely going to lose unless you can round up another 60 million or so voters to back them.
Let me say again, the FPTP voting system leads to two dominant parties, but nowhere in mathematics or law does it say the those two have to be Democrats and Republicans. We’ve always had the choice of a different two parties. That the Blue and Red duopoly would lead to fascism via the ratchet effect been clear for nearly 30 years.
I wouldn’t claim that Democrats don’t see the people of Palestine as human, exactly. They may just put it out of mind. Denial is a very potent force.
You’re not wrong. There’s nothing that requires the two parties be Dems and GOP. But you’re not going to overturn one or the other in a single election, and that means losing to the farthest big party from you, likely a few in a row, while that gets resolved. Especially if you try to do it top down instead of building support from local/county offices up.
Basically, if you could get enough third party support, you could either supplant one of the existing parties or force them to shift to stay competitive. The argument is that trying to do so with the office of president when doing so promotes a fast track to outright fascism is a painfully bad tactic.
Same deal, you’re not wrong. At the same time, it has to be done. Voting Democrat to hold off the fascists was, at best, a holding action rather than a viable, long-term strategy. A slow track to fascism, as it were, as they were going to win an election eventually. Democrats weren’t going to fix the problem. For example, we voted for Biden in 2020 to hold off the fascist threat, they attacked the Capitol because they lost, and Biden did next to nothing about it. Hence, the depiction of the party as the pawl in the ratchet mechanism.
Ok. Still doesn’t change the fact that describing the Democrats as “boring and flawed neoliberals” despite their full throated support for genocide in support of a fascist ethnostate is only possible if you don’t consider Palestinians human.
Fixed that for you.
Wrong answer. That made sense under Clinton vs Bush or Obama vs Romney, not nowadays. We can “consider” your proposal when there’s not a damn fascist dictator threatening to send US citizens to an El Salvadorian gulag for disagreeing with the President.
Then again, commies tend to love gulag’ing people who disagree with them, just ask Stalin… So maybe commie guy sees the gulags as a good thing?
And just who are you to presume to correct anybody’s point of view? Because telling me that commies and fascists like to send people to gulags is doing nothing to change anybody’s mind. Let’s face reality here: that doesn’t hit anywhere close to home, especially when you have so much right-wing media spinning it around and justifying it.
The issues that actually hurt most people, your working class and poor people, are toxic to democrats because they need policies that will hurt their traditional pocket fillers.
They all chose, a long time ago, to serve their masters, and it’s now coming to the breaking point: people can no longer afford to pay rent and basic necessities with their job.
This is when all hell breaks loose, the social contract breaks down, and you have incompetent psychopaths elected into power - because people are desperate and they want shit to change.
You can keep yelling at the top of your lungs that the alternative is awful and horrible and Hitler and gas chambers, but what you’re ever more likely to hear is that “well, at least it ends the despair”.
But sure, ignore everything and keep being as perplexed as most other democrats as to why people keep voting for that buffoon.
The problem with voting for a party simply because “we aren’t fascism” is that it produces the most perverse incentives imaginable. If the only way Democrats can win the White House is by simply not being fascist, what motivation do they have to reform the system so that fascists won’t be able to come back into power?
If there is a free election in 2028, and if Democrats somehow manage to win, they need to act decisively. They need to pass a storm of legislation that drastically curtails the powers of the presidency. If they don’t, then we could be right back with another wannabe dictator Republican in power in 2032. We need to end the emergency powers, curtail the powers of ICE, end the mass surveillance, essentially dismantle the entire post-911 security architecture that put us at such a danger of dictatorship. It’s an evil machine that never should have been built.
This is the fatal error of wanting to support a centrist Dem in 2028. The only way such a candidate is going to get elected is if they can run against the specter of fascism and dictatorship. They have zero motivation to dismantle the tools a future dictator would use; they need there to be a threat of a future dictator in order to win reelection. If that centrist Dem wins in 2028, and makes it so dictatorship is impossible, what are they going to run on in 2032? They need there to be a credible threat of dictatorship in order to win election. A centrist Dem can never dismantle fascism, as the looming potential of fascism is their only hope of getting elected. Centrist Dems want to dangle the threat of fascist dictatorship, like a Sword of Damocles, over your head forever. Corporate Dems will never dismantle what is their only hope of getting and retaining power.
Supporting this, the Dems have literally funded far-right Republican candidates under a “pied piper” strategy, on the assumption that they’ll be easier to beat and to motivate voters to come out to stop them. Donald Trump himself benefited from this strategy, the Dem leadership loves Trump because he gets people so angry and they know they’re the only alternative.
Yeah if you think Bush was an acceptable choice and not a fascist then you don’t really have a leg to stand on with this “commies love gulags” nonsense. You think this El Salvador shit is new? Those of us who were paying attention know that Bush did the same shit, while they did their fair share of torturing alleged “terrorists” with no due process in our own black sites, the worst abuses were conducted in foreign countries like Egypt, when we sent prisoners there knowing full well how they’d be treated. Some of us have been fighting this battle for over 20 years, nice of you to finally wake up and notice now that someone you hate is doing it, but it would be nice if you’d notice when the people you like are doing it too.
It’s so stupid when liberals, defending a system with the largest prison population per capita in the world, with indefinite detention without trial, mass surveillance, etc, still try to take the moral high ground on that issue just because the word “gulag” sounds scary and foreign.
Compared to Trump? Absofuckinglutely. Bush had no desire to be a dictator. Trump absolutely has ambition to be a dictator, and if you can’t figure out how one of those is worse than the other then you’re too clueless to participate in an adult conversation regarding this topic.
Libs will always believe the “it’s not ‘Torture’ it’s ‘enhanced interrogation’” until they are the ones being interrogated. Then, suddenly, it’s ‘torture’, and it’s everyone else’s fault that we got rid of ‘enhanced interrogation’, not their fault for preserving the system.
Just a non-dictatator doing very non-dictatator things like stealing the election, operating secret extrajudicial torture dungeons where people are detained indefinitely without trial, illegally spying on innocent people en masse, and starting multiple wars of aggression.
I wonder how long it will take y’all to start rehabilitating Trump once he’s no longer the current thing.
The prisoners Bush had sent to Egypt were not sent from the US, they were sent from different countries that allowed extradition to Egypt. It was disgusting and abhorrent, but it isn’t the same thing as what we’re seeing now.
Flying people from the US to foreign prisons without due process is a blatant violation of the constitution.
Do you not realize that Bush literally established the Guantanamo Bay DC? The modern GOP are just running plays from Bush and Reagan’s books.
The whole point of having extrajudicial torture dungeons is that they are extrajudicial. They may not have sent US citizens to them (although US citizens were killed in extrajudicial drone strikes), but the only “lawyers” they had access to at Guantanamo were people like Ron DeSantis who posed as a lawyer to try to extract information about which methods the victims found most unpleasant, to be shared with their torturers. If that sort of system exists, it can easily be turned against US citizens, as has happened.
Mass surveillance is a blatant violation of the constitution as well, and when the illegal programs were exposed, not only did no one involved in them get punished in any way, they kept doing them and the person who exposed them was hunted to the ends of the earth.
And meanwhile, immigration courts are basically kangaroo courts where young children can be made to defend themselves with no right to an attorney, and that’s been going on for a long time.
There hasn’t been anything close to rule of law in this country for a long time (if ever). Trump is just continuing the path we’ve been trending towards for a long time in a very overt and rapid way.
Fascism isn’t a choice, or a policy, it’s Capitalism using brutal methods to defend itself, like when the Democrats sent Israel mountains of bombs to obliterate Palestinians. Fascism is not a distinct economic system, but the same underlying system as Capitalism, only when it’s in crisis and needs to defend itself while pretending it’s qualitatively different.
The Liberal answer to the political problems we see is to perpetuate it indefinately and purely act within the system that selects for whatever brutal methods it needs to sustain itself. This isn’t an answer, it’s approval.
As for gulags, I recommend reading Russian Justice. It’s a good thing to jail fascists, Tsarists, and others who would violently try to overthrow a popular government. Or, are you saying you wouldn’t jail Trump if given the opportunity?
“Tsarists”? LMAO
And who’s the authority on who is or is not a “fascist or tsarist”? You? That makes about as much sense as sending people to El Salvador for being imaginary gang members because some jack ass decided that it was a good idea.
Due process exists for a reason. Shut up, tankie.
The White Army was a group loyal to the Tsar, and fought the Red Army in order to reinstate the Tsarist system. After the Soviets won the Russian Civil War, many former White Army members were persecuted for their crimes by the Soviet Justice System.
The authority on who was or was not a fascist was the Soviet Justice System, and the people of the Soviet Union. I linked Russian Justice since it does a good job laying out how the USSR’s justice system and courts worked. I think you’re deeply confused if you’re insinuating that I am the one who made those decisions, or intend to do so.
My man, I am a libertarian. Fuck whatever your interpretation of a big government utopia is, because it is most likely wrong.
That being said, I am fully aware of the flaws in my ideology - and there are many - but I enjoy libertarianism because it allows me to tell people like you to “GET OFF MY LAWN!” and not feel morally wrong for it.
Hey, beats being a fucking commie.
Lmao I’ve never seen someone so explicitly accept that they picked their ideology out at the supermarket.
See, ideas generally fall into two categories, which I call “manmade” and “natural.” “Manmade” ideas are ideas that are specifically crafted to have mass market appeal, to fulfill some psychological urge of some demographic, whereas “natural” ideas are just reflections of the world as it actually exists. Libertarianism is a perfect manmade ideology, it allows you to tell “the man” to fuck off, to “GET OFF MY LAWN!” Who cares if the ideology is actually correct or capable of producing a functioning system? All that matters is that it makes you feel good. It’s no different from people who believe in quack medicine or crystal healing or whatever, it’s “I want to believe.”
People just want to go down to the supermarket and look through all different brands of ideologies until they find the one that really suits their own personal style, and then they bring it home and put it up on the mantle and polish it every day and keep it there, they would never dream of actually using it because they might get dirt on it, and anyway it would probably break since it’s not designed for that, it’s just there to look pretty. A proper ideology should be used so often it’s kept in the toolshed, where it’s rough and worn and not pretty to look at, but it’s designed to actually get the job done, and that ideology should be just as suitable whether you’re a nuerodivergent trans software developer or a Guatemalan dirt farmer. Because the truth is the truth no matter who you are or what your style is.
If you recognize that you only like libertarianism because it makes you feel good to believe in it, then you need to reject it immediately. You don’t just go through live believing whatever makes you feel good regardless of reason or evidence… do you?
“I like being a libertarian because it allows me to be selfish, ignorant and rude while still feeling morally justified in all my actions”
In your libertarian society, what happens if I’m on your lawn with 3 of my friends? And we refuse to “get off your lawn”? Then what will you do?
Instead of malding, coping, and seething, would it kill you to engage in the “marketplace of ideas” libertarians tend to love?
Every single one of those elections, the Dems chanting “us or fascism!!”
It’s kinda like the gun safety debate: we can not discuss it within 72 hrs of a mass shooting.
After 72 hrs, nobody wants to talk about it, or we have another one.
When will the Dems actually oppose fascism, instead of saying they want to?
Additionally, who is that “boring liberal republic” better for? Certainly not Palestinians. Certainly not for union workers on our rail lines. Not for people becoming houseless. Not for queer people. Not for indigenous peeps, either…
So, just for white, straight people, so we need to keep supporting it?
Fixed that for you.
If Kamala Harris had won, literally all the groups you just mentioned would be far better off than under a literal fascist dictatorship which Trump’s lackeys want to establish.
Honestly? I’m starting to believe lemmy is, like reddit, filled with a bunch of clueless college kids who haven’t set foot in other parts of the world and have no idea what it’s like to live under a dictatorship, and thus take the rights and freedoms they have completely for granted.
Sadly, Trump is about to teach us all a lesson in authoritarianism - You, myself, and everyone else on the planet.
Did you, though, or just try to lie?
I mean, were Palestinians being genocided in Israel for… most of Biden’s presidency? And didn’t Harris say she fully supported Biden’s policies?
Indigenous people? They are laughing at us right now, because us white people are freaking out about stuff that’s been happening to them since white people showed up here.
Union workers? Come on, it’s not illegal for rail workers to strike in the US, thanks to Biden, who Harris, once again, said, she fully supported his policies.
Good for homeless people, as in creating more homeless people every year? Houselessness was spiking under Biden, and still is…
How so, specifically?
I’m starting to think you believe the rest of the world is ok with how we treat our citizens, and do the same…
That would be true for the 2000 election as well, but Democrats didn’t fight the SC decision and so we got two expensive wars in the subsequent 8 years that some democrats even supported, demonstrating their fascist sympathies.
Lemmy is full of people who want to actually discuss ways to have a better world, unlike you it seems lmao.
You’re trying to argue the status quo to people who saw what the status quo was since Reagan, but you still don’t get it.
I’m so glad my consistent votes for democrats over my life have definitely not lead me to the precipice of fascism… oh wait.
How would Harris have been better for Palestinians? She was part of an admin that was assisting their genocide and always maintained that she would continue doing that.
… Did you forget how Trump said we were literally going to clean out Gaza and make it into a resort once he was in the office? You’re being very disingenuous.
HOW is that worse than what Biden was doing. Biden spent 15 months cleaning out Gaza
Biden was the first to float that idea actually.
Another reminder that blueMAGA don’t see Palestinians as human.
Yeah, just non-citizens, as is right and proper.
Every option with any real chance of being elected supported Israel. Unfortunately your choices are essentially Dem, GOP, or one of several people who is definitely going to lose unless you can round up another 60 million or so voters to back them.
Let me say again, the FPTP voting system leads to two dominant parties, but nowhere in mathematics or law does it say the those two have to be Democrats and Republicans. We’ve always had the choice of a different two parties. That the Blue and Red duopoly would lead to fascism via the ratchet effect been clear for nearly 30 years.
I wouldn’t claim that Democrats don’t see the people of Palestine as human, exactly. They may just put it out of mind. Denial is a very potent force.
You’re not wrong. There’s nothing that requires the two parties be Dems and GOP. But you’re not going to overturn one or the other in a single election, and that means losing to the farthest big party from you, likely a few in a row, while that gets resolved. Especially if you try to do it top down instead of building support from local/county offices up.
Basically, if you could get enough third party support, you could either supplant one of the existing parties or force them to shift to stay competitive. The argument is that trying to do so with the office of president when doing so promotes a fast track to outright fascism is a painfully bad tactic.
Same deal, you’re not wrong. At the same time, it has to be done. Voting Democrat to hold off the fascists was, at best, a holding action rather than a viable, long-term strategy. A slow track to fascism, as it were, as they were going to win an election eventually. Democrats weren’t going to fix the problem. For example, we voted for Biden in 2020 to hold off the fascist threat, they attacked the Capitol because they lost, and Biden did next to nothing about it. Hence, the depiction of the party as the pawl in the ratchet mechanism.
Ok. Still doesn’t change the fact that describing the Democrats as “boring and flawed neoliberals” despite their full throated support for genocide in support of a fascist ethnostate is only possible if you don’t consider Palestinians human.
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