Why is it so hard?

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    Yes, it’s an investment to mainly hold, not unlike gold.

    For the 50th time, how it became popular is completely irrelevant. Why are you so fixed on it?

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      how it became popular is completely irrelevant.

      You’d just like to avoid it, because it’s central to this.

      Meme coins come and go, because they’re unreliable. They’re unreliable, because there’s nothing actually backing them up, much like fiat currency.

      However, gold has. Because gold is naturally rare. There’s a reason there’s a thing called the gold standard.

      Because currency being backed against something real makes it more stable.

      Much like Bitcoin relying on criminal transactions makes it reliable.

      So again, you’re completely delusional to think there’s other transactions in Bitcoin. Name ONE.

      I can and have shown you data from which you can infer that during this discussion of ours, tens of thousands of illegal transactions have taken place using Bitcoin, but you can’t even NAME a thing you’d use Bitcoin on.

      You’ve still not understood this isn’t a debate. I’m not arguing you.

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        Meme coins come and go, because they’re unreliable. They’re unreliable, because there’s nothing actually backing them up, much like fiat currency.

        Correct. That is true about meme coins.

        However, gold has. Because gold is naturally rare.

        As does Bitcoin. Maybe you just didn’t know that. There is and can only ever be a fixed amount of Bitcoin. You might even be able to eventually travel to other planets and discover more gold there, but you can never discover more Bitcoin.

        I can and have shown you data from which you can infer that during this discussion of ours, tens of thousands of illegal transactions have taken place using Bitcoin

        Tens of thousands out of roughly how many total?

        this isn’t a debate. I’m not arguing you.

        Correct again. You are absolutely not.

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          As does Bitcoin. Maybe you just didn’t know that. There is and can only ever be a fixed amount of Bitcoin. You might even be able to eventually travel to other planets and discover more gold there, but you can never discover more Bitcoin.

          Yeah but the value increasing comes because of the rarity. That’s why bitcoin is now 83 000 more valuable than it was a mere 10 years ago when I had it.

          If the value of gold had changed by 83 000 times, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. (The world would have ended, one way or another.)

          Tens of thousands out of roughly how many total?

          Of all the transactions? What else would it be used for? You know, the question I’m 4 now having to pretend to ask again, because you keep avoiding, because you know you the answer will prove me right?

          Correct again. You are absolutely not.

          Correct again, like I’ve been the whole time, UNLIKE you…?

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            Yeah but the value increasing comes because of the rarity.

            Exactly like gold. And how many transactions are people doing with gold? What kinds are they?

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              No, not exactly like gold.

              Gold was backed up as value because it was established as rare and valuable several thousand of years ago, and it’s remained equally rare.

              Bitcoin has significantly increased in value because the trade it’s being uses for has increased.

              The first time I bought drugs with Bitcoin I had several hundreds. Then I bought them last time when they were around 1e a piece. Then despite not buying any more, it kept increasing in value so much I got several drug orders out of after spending about 115 out of it.

              People noticed the huge influx in people buying Bitcoin. As traders do, they pay attention to trends. But people weren’t buying it as “store of value”, ducking LOL. They were buying bitcoin to easily and anonymously order drugs.

              And that business is worth (this is the dozenth time I’m repeating this and you’re ignoring it, coward) literally TRILLIONS.

              Which is why it kept growing in value, which is it attracted investment.

              But I ask you, for the UMPTEENTH TIME:

              #WHAT ELSE DO YOU PURCHASE WITH BITCOIN THAN ILLEGAL THINGS?

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                it’s remained equally rare

                Just like Bitcoin.

                WHAT ELSE DO YOU PURCHASE WITH BITCOIN THAN ILLEGAL THINGS?

                What do you purchase with chunks of gold?

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                  Just like Bitcoin.

                  But the value of gold hasn’t increased exponentially, unlike Bitcoin.

                  Any currency needs to be somehow limited for it not suffer hyperinflation. That’s just a basic necessity for anything valuable. With Fiat currency, it’s artifical limiting, which makes it highly unstable, unlike the gold standard. I wouldn’t be surprised if the US saw Post WWI Germany levels of inflation in the next few years, because the US is no longer on the gold standard, the US is making enemies of all and even the petro-dollar is faltering.

                  What do you purchase with chunks of gold?

                  Literally anything.

                  There’s not a city in the world you can’t go to with a huge bag of properly stamped gold and live as merry as you want.

                  Your whole “gold isn’t used as direct currency anymore” is a ridiculous fucking strawman, because the money represents gold, as per the gold standard. Bitcoin barely represents money, having very limited cash out points, let alone actually being backed up by anything physical.

                  Doesn’t matter how much of a tantrum you have. Practically all transactions being done in bitcoin is illegal trade. Investing in bitcoin isn’n a transaction with bitcoin. It’s just trading in bitcoin.

                  English isn’t your native language, I take it?

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                    But the value of gold hasn’t increased exponentially, unlike Bitcoin.

                    The value of Bitcoin has not increased exponentially. You should look up that word.

                    Literally anything.

                    I can roll up to the McDonalds drive-thru, ask for a quarter-pounder, and they’ll accept a chunk of gold as payment?

                    because the money represents gold

                    In what way? I’m assuming you’re talking about the US – you do know that the gold-standard hasn’t been used for decades there, right?

                    let alone actually being backed up by anything physical.

                    There is a fixed supply of Bitcoin. Being able to hold it in your hand or not is completely irrelevant.