I mod the !iiiiiiitttttttttttt@lemmy.world community, I’ve managed to grow the number of subscribers from 360 to 800.
I’m thinking of moving it to programming.dev. Is this a good idea? I made a post asking this and I’m looking for feedback there.
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Piefed.social might be an option: https://jolly-piefed.jomandoa.net/post/280967
Can someone please explain what the issue is with lemmy.world? I signed up 2 years ago and haven’t been very active and just recently came back to lemmy in general.
Most of the big-name communities on lemmy.world are political in some way, and they all have pretty severe varieties of moderation fuckery. Mods will make safe spaces for troll users posting streams of propaganda, make rules against calling out the propaganda, do totally bizarre things (MBFC bot) which they then blame on the admins saying that the admins are forcing them to do it, and then the admins will say that’s not true and how could they ever get that impression. It’s just a weird, noisy, and dishonest place.
And, also, because it’s the biggest instance it has the biggest population of aggressively clueless or offensive users. The mods seem pretty overwhelmed being able to deal with it all. I’m not sure you can really blame that on the instance itself, since it’s just what happens on a big instance, but in my opinion the low quality of the conversation might be related to the fact that the mods are apparently spending a lot of their finite amount of time apparently actively trying to make things worse.
It happens sometimes that I’ll click on a post, look at the comments and get this “WTF, is it St. Patrick’s Day and everyone’s angry and drunk and no one told me, what is this” reaction and then notice that I somehow stumbled into a big lemmy.world political community, and so the quality of the conversation is immediately going to have a negative 200 percent penalty.
Don’t go there. It is a bad place. The PugJesus historical art communities are nice though.
Nothing major, it just holds most of the communities on lemmy, so its a big point of failure. It also has some slowdowns.
No major issues, just that server performance is poor and it lags, so people are discouraged to centralize the communities in one place.
a community I have.
Try not to think of it that way. The community is the people who subscribe, post and comment. You don’t own them, you just take out the trash. If they are happy to move then good, if not then don’t force it. And you can always just make a second community on the other instance and hand over the old instance to the people who want to stay there.
I was trying to phrase it like that, but failed.
I am trying to avoid a 196.you just take out the trash
I don’t know what it is, maybe it’s some form of ikea effect, where people think that the act of filling a form, adding an icon and a description makes them immediately attached to something that (initially) amounts to a record field in a database.
I’ve lost count of how many people I asked “Hey, I saw you are the mod of <mostly inactive community on large instance>, I am running <slightly active/mostly inactive community on topic-specific instance>. How about we join forces?” And almost invariably they act like I am asking them to give me their firstborn.
Some of those mods aren’t active for spans of several months, but are opposed to giving up any control on their communitiies.
ikea effect
TIL
Give me their firstborn
Sometimes that’s indeed what it feels like indeed
And almost invariably they act like I am asking them to give me their firstborn.
You can’t infer that they are being possessive, when an equally possible explanation for that reaction is that they are offended on behalf of their community members, who would not want a unilateral consolidation of their community into another community that they feel no connection to.
Just because you mod a community doesn’t mean you get to make the decision about where people gather for that community. When instances have different moderation rules and different vibes, you must have a consenting userbase in order to make decisions like that.
that they are offended on behalf of their community members
I’m talking about cases where there aren’t any community members to speak of.
If they are happy to move then good, if not then don’t force it.
Good point. Most of the time people are ok to move, but it’s always better to ask
I think its fine but you shouldnt rush it or else you will make the community angry
Sure. Anything to help with the decentralization is good.
Though you probably won’t be able to get every single subscriber to move to the new community.
I’d definitely like that as a programming.dev user. I like to see topic-specific instances used for that topic, and to have lots of communities about that topic.
- Yes please, lemmy.world is awful (and in particular hosting there is a disservice to places like Beehaw that don’t feel like dealing with the daily noise and have defederated from them)
- Programming.dev seems a little clueless to me in terms of the culture. I read a lot of the userbase’s mindset as sort of “I aspire to be a rock star programmer, check me out I’m awesome” as opposed to “I am good at programming and take it seriously because I care about it.” Of course there is always variability based on the individual, and that first thing is in no short supply anywhere on the internet.
- I fully agree with whoever it was that said not everyone will move and that’s okay. You might shut down the old community but just be aware that bottom line, the users are going to do what they want to do.
- Maybe sh.itjust.works or lemmy.sdf.org or lemm.ee? Or infosec.pub? All of those seem extremely nerd-friendly without being overly self-important about it.
I read a lot of the userbase’s mindset as sort of “I aspire to be a rock star programmer, check me out I’m awesome”
Thats interesting, I didn’t notice that.
I may avoid moving it to .ee, its the second largest server, and while its better i’d like to bring it somewhere smaller.
Yeah, maybe it’s just my own elitism, but that was my read of the place.
I never found anything that would indicate such culture, but I don’t spend that much time there
Maybe it’s me. I just have noticed this very particular type of self-important cluelessness that tends to concentrate itself in some specific communities. I’ve definitely had people who are 100% wrong who will get in extended arguments with me about how this wrong thing that they think is obviously right, and spend a bunch of time “debunking” some wild strawman that I never said. Like “How can you say Linux printing is bad, you must be one of those Window fanboys, Windows sucks, don’t you understand open source is better you twatface how dare you.” Something like that.
In fairness, now that I think about it I think that is just a lot of Linux / programming related communities on Lemmy in general. Maybe it’s not fair to blame it on programming.dev just because they concentrate on that type of content and so will necessarily tend to attract that type of user.
Second largest by number of users, but 0 Lemm.ee communities in the top 20 most active: https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active
Maybe sh.itjust.works or lemmy.sdf.org or lemm.ee? Or infosec.pub? All of those seem extremely nerd-friendly without being overly self-important about it.
https://lemmy.zip/ qualifies as well
Maybe sh.itjust.works or lemmy.sdf.org or lemm.ee? Or infosec.pub?
There’s also discuss.tchncs.de that is focused on tech
