Why does it always feel like the people making the really great content have to fight to keep the fantastic moments in and then the people making slop can just do whatever
Which makes sense on paper to a corporate board, what I love is how ironically the less risky means more boring, and that we’re finally seeing people not showing up to boring repetitive slop. Iron man and the MCU started as a risk, and they had interesting new storylines. Now it’s boring safe slop
I don’t hate Kathleen Kennedy or anything, she’s just doing her job. In fact she’s not even really a cause so much as a symptom, but fact is she was hired because her vision matches what the marketing people want: dumbed down, mass-appeal media that speaks to no one and offends no one. She has made it work before in her career, and (likely, in my opinion) loves the formula for its efficacy, not its artistic value.
It’s about the money, and enshittification. I’m as confused as everyone else how Andor managed to slip through the gatekeeping, but very glad for it. Maybe they’ll learn that there’s a market for more than just “childlike wonderment.”
I’ve wondered if they planned on Andor flopping and we’re going to just doa season trial run, or it came at the time they were greenlighting everything star wars. There’s no way it should have slipped through marketing, legal, the feel good police, but it did, and I’m very grateful for Tony Gilroy telling the story he wanted
I think KK’s team did, half covertly, attempt to set it up to fail.
And with the bizarre high budget they gave it it might even turn out to be a flop.
But they set it up to run against The Last Of Us season 2, like they placed the Mandalorian & Grogu movie (dumbest title ever, are they the siblings of Lilo & Stitch?) against the new Marvel movies in May '26…
There was no prior big ticket advertising for Andor, only now when the season is fully out did the advertising start in a big way.
I am also not quite sure on the 3 episodes per week schedule. In a way it worked, story wise, but I feel it would have lasted longer in the ratings if it was one episode per week, with perhaps only the first 3 episodes in the same week as an appetizer.
All in all it feels to me they definitely did not give it their best effort to give Andor’s 2nd season a smooth sailing ride in the hope to be able to declare it a flop.
Why that is I can not directly say, perhaps it is some vindictiveness because Andor succeeded where the more hands on projects failed, or that they just don’t want to give us Andor style products, but it could just as well be some pure incompetence of the management layer…again…
One reason I can think of, is that Andor is firmly aimed at an adult audience, sure its not deliberately kid excluding by including graphic sex scenes or ultra violence or prolific swearing to get a high age rating, but thematically it is.
Studios are obsessed with hitting as many quadrants of potential viewers as possible, removing kids from the equation hurts their potential bottom line. Andor being successful leads to the demand both in and outside the studio to make more content like it, which will impact potential revenue.
Star Wars should be chasing $2bn per film in the Studios eyes due to the amount invested into buying and operating the franchise. That leads to them trying to squash stuff that wont hit those numbers if its going to take up valuable production budgets and release schedule slots.
Her formula actually IS about offending the fan base … Time and time again her team starts a controversy that insults the fans far ahead of release of any of the products, and the products themselves mess with existing lore and expectations. All for no reason other than to start a ruckus about the product so they can blame the fans for it failing.
I highly suspect Andor slipped past is because somewhere someone declared/decreed it “absolutely hands-off” in the creative stages, and it shows in how a polished product is delivered that has not been meddled with.
The fanbase that was once the biggest in the world, the one that KK just about personally destroyed with her nonsense and lies, that fanbase.
The same lies that you clearly enjoy gobbling up because an actual open thought about it seems foreign to you seeing how you immediately go on the offensive blaming non existent manosphere influence for the failure of Disney Star Wars.
I’ll give you two examples, KK wearing a “The Force Is Female” t-shirt AND having lead actors spout that same declaration in interviews… while nowhere and never before was there ever a gender attributed to the force…
Now consider a man ever declaring the force to be male only … He’d get chased off the internet, probably doxxed and his career damaged.
Another example, hire a proven man-hater as writer/director and have her drop man hating comments all over the place, how she enjoys hurting men and shocking them, her project also is cobbled together by shooting all kinds of holes in the existing lore. It turns out to be a really bad show … yet somehow it is the fault of the male fans that it failed …
Heck, it’s the same with the “Star Wars has no people of color” and “Star Wars has no strong females” comments, they only come from the KK side of things, there is not a fan who mentioned it because it just is not true.
And yet, somehow Star Wars fans are called racist and misogynistic…
Star Wars was destroyed by the bad products Disney released, no ifs and or buts about it, the slop KK put her stamp of approval on and then scapegoat the fans, new and old…
Like it or not, the blame that most of it’s projects fail lies on that side, not on the fans turning their back on it.
Why does it always feel like the people making the really great content have to fight to keep the fantastic moments in and then the people making slop can just do whatever
Originality is the path to the riskier side of business. Risk can lead to profit loss. Profit loss leads shareholders to suffering.
Have you heard the story of Focus Group the Wise? Its not story the Creatives would tell you.
Which makes sense on paper to a corporate board, what I love is how ironically the less risky means more boring, and that we’re finally seeing people not showing up to boring repetitive slop. Iron man and the MCU started as a risk, and they had interesting new storylines. Now it’s boring safe slop
Hey now, don’t stop there…
Shareholder suffering leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
You were quick to notice it 🤣
Hopefully “Sinners” helps to change that
I don’t hate Kathleen Kennedy or anything, she’s just doing her job. In fact she’s not even really a cause so much as a symptom, but fact is she was hired because her vision matches what the marketing people want: dumbed down, mass-appeal media that speaks to no one and offends no one. She has made it work before in her career, and (likely, in my opinion) loves the formula for its efficacy, not its artistic value. It’s about the money, and enshittification. I’m as confused as everyone else how Andor managed to slip through the gatekeeping, but very glad for it. Maybe they’ll learn that there’s a market for more than just “childlike wonderment.”
I’ve wondered if they planned on Andor flopping and we’re going to just doa season trial run, or it came at the time they were greenlighting everything star wars. There’s no way it should have slipped through marketing, legal, the feel good police, but it did, and I’m very grateful for Tony Gilroy telling the story he wanted
I think KK’s team did, half covertly, attempt to set it up to fail. And with the bizarre high budget they gave it it might even turn out to be a flop.
But they set it up to run against The Last Of Us season 2, like they placed the Mandalorian & Grogu movie (dumbest title ever, are they the siblings of Lilo & Stitch?) against the new Marvel movies in May '26…
There was no prior big ticket advertising for Andor, only now when the season is fully out did the advertising start in a big way.
I am also not quite sure on the 3 episodes per week schedule. In a way it worked, story wise, but I feel it would have lasted longer in the ratings if it was one episode per week, with perhaps only the first 3 episodes in the same week as an appetizer.
All in all it feels to me they definitely did not give it their best effort to give Andor’s 2nd season a smooth sailing ride in the hope to be able to declare it a flop.
Why that is I can not directly say, perhaps it is some vindictiveness because Andor succeeded where the more hands on projects failed, or that they just don’t want to give us Andor style products, but it could just as well be some pure incompetence of the management layer…again…
Well said.
One reason I can think of, is that Andor is firmly aimed at an adult audience, sure its not deliberately kid excluding by including graphic sex scenes or ultra violence or prolific swearing to get a high age rating, but thematically it is.
Studios are obsessed with hitting as many quadrants of potential viewers as possible, removing kids from the equation hurts their potential bottom line. Andor being successful leads to the demand both in and outside the studio to make more content like it, which will impact potential revenue.
Star Wars should be chasing $2bn per film in the Studios eyes due to the amount invested into buying and operating the franchise. That leads to them trying to squash stuff that wont hit those numbers if its going to take up valuable production budgets and release schedule slots.
Her formula actually IS about offending the fan base … Time and time again her team starts a controversy that insults the fans far ahead of release of any of the products, and the products themselves mess with existing lore and expectations. All for no reason other than to start a ruckus about the product so they can blame the fans for it failing.
I highly suspect Andor slipped past is because somewhere someone declared/decreed it “absolutely hands-off” in the creative stages, and it shows in how a polished product is delivered that has not been meddled with.
What fanbase?
Insecure boys and manchildren who have been brainwashed by The Manosphere?
Too bad, so sad. Get a psychiatrist, and work on your insecurities.
The fanbase that was once the biggest in the world, the one that KK just about personally destroyed with her nonsense and lies, that fanbase.
The same lies that you clearly enjoy gobbling up because an actual open thought about it seems foreign to you seeing how you immediately go on the offensive blaming non existent manosphere influence for the failure of Disney Star Wars.
I’ll give you two examples, KK wearing a “The Force Is Female” t-shirt AND having lead actors spout that same declaration in interviews… while nowhere and never before was there ever a gender attributed to the force…
Now consider a man ever declaring the force to be male only … He’d get chased off the internet, probably doxxed and his career damaged.
Another example, hire a proven man-hater as writer/director and have her drop man hating comments all over the place, how she enjoys hurting men and shocking them, her project also is cobbled together by shooting all kinds of holes in the existing lore. It turns out to be a really bad show … yet somehow it is the fault of the male fans that it failed …
Heck, it’s the same with the “Star Wars has no people of color” and “Star Wars has no strong females” comments, they only come from the KK side of things, there is not a fan who mentioned it because it just is not true. And yet, somehow Star Wars fans are called racist and misogynistic…
Star Wars was destroyed by the bad products Disney released, no ifs and or buts about it, the slop KK put her stamp of approval on and then scapegoat the fans, new and old…
Like it or not, the blame that most of it’s projects fail lies on that side, not on the fans turning their back on it.
What a bunch of pathetic incel wimps.