Cruise recalls all self-driving cars after grisly accident and California ban | All 950 of the General Motors subsidiary’s autonomous cars will be taken off roads for a software update::All 950 of the General Motors subsidiary’s autonomous cars will be taken off roads for a software update

    • raptir@lemdro.id
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      1 year ago

      That’s equally ridiculous to say. Self driving cars just need to be better than people to be worth it, they just currently are not better than people.

      • Baggins [he/him]@lemmy.ca
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        It’s ridiculous to think that cars shouldn’t be killing people? Well smack my ass and call me an extremist.

        • raptir@lemdro.id
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          Yes, it’s ridiculous to say that if self driving cars kill fewer people than human driven cars but still more than zero that we should not use them. That’s like saying “why use seatbelts, they’re not 100% effective.”

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              That’s the implications of the logic you’re using.

              • Baggins [he/him]@lemmy.ca
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                I’m sorry to hear you’re having trouble with logic but it’s not complicated. Zero people should be killed by cars, therefore anything that gets us closer to that ideal number is a good thing.

                • Steve
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                  I think we have different meanings of the word “should”.

        • wile_e8@lemmy.world
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          Are you calling for a ban on human driven cars? They killed more than zero people yesterday! If you aren’t, you’ve accepted a human-driven vehicular homicide rate above zero.

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      It is more than zero. Anything that beats humans is a win. Getting to zero is unrealistic. Nothing has a zero risk of death.

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        Correct, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Zero is the acceptable number, so anything that gets us closer to that is good.

        • Steve
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          You’re shifting goal posts.

          What’s the acceptable vehicular homicide rate? GM seems to think it’s more than zero.

          Correct, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Zero is the ideal number, so anything that gets us closer to that is good.

          Acceptable is different than ideal.

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              That’s true. But then you run into the issue of “The perfect being the enemy of the good.”

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              But now you’re misusing “acceptable”.

              We would need to get to the other side of acceptable for widespread use of autos (self driving vehicles). It’s not an unachievable goal you always try to get closer to. That word is your previously used “ideal”. Which its seems now is what you meant with your original comment, instead of the “acceptable” you actually used.

              It’s not just pedantic. I’m not the only one who thought you said something you apparently now didn’t mean, because you used words you apparently don’t understand. The words you use are vital to your being understood.

              You could just humbly admit your original mistake in language, and nobody would give you a hard time.

              • Baggins [he/him]@lemmy.ca
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                I’m misusing “acceptable” because you think I mean something that I didn’t mean? Move along then.

                • Steve
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                  Yes! Exactly! And based on the vote counts I’m seeing 2/3 people misunderstood you. And when one is trying to explain something to another, if the other doesn’t understand, it can logically only be the fault of the person explaining.