• Spud_1997@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    It’s crazy how night and day their opinions are when they’re on sky versus on other networks/personal accs, massive hypocrites

    • baby-keith@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Why do football fans struggle to understand the concept of hypocrisy so badly? Even if you think that Carrager says one thing on Sky and another on Twitter, and that it’s because of who pays his wages, that isn’t hypocrisy. It’s self-serving and inconsistent at worst.

  • Reach_Reclaimer@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    If the suggestion for an improvement in reffing is to get rid of VAR, then that suggestion is a joke

    We can improve VAR.

    1. have the semi-automated offside tech from the World Cup, this stops VAR used so often when disallowing goals and keeps it to checking for fouls and allows a freer flowing game.

    2. have actual var teams rather than current refs

    3. any decision that they deem should be checked at the monitor should be shown in full: Show the full play in normal speed, then show the full play in slow motion speed if requested

    4. ref teams the same lol, none of this big 6 nonsene. Ref tottenham the same way you ref wolves

    • -MYTHR1L-@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      No. Get rid of var totally. The only thing possibly worth keeping is the goal line tech.

      It’s ruining the game and needs removed ASAP.

    • JesseWhatTheFuck@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      They should be working to implement fully automated offside calls anyway. Once that’s done, a huge source of frustration will be dealt with.

      If the quality of VAR calls still doesn’t improve after that re: handballs, penalty calls etc., they can still take more drastic measures such as outsourcing VAR to a third party that is completely unaffiliated with the refs on the field, or even leaving all subjective calls to the on field refs and simply not interfering with handball/penalty/red card calls anymore.

  • Blue_winged_yoshi@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    VAR hasn’t ruined football PGMOL, just need to be a little less shit.

    You will never end controversy or opinion difference, but cast your mind back to pre-VAR days and just fuck me things were bad. Total guess work everywhere, refs completely cowered by crowds (United went a decade without conceding a penalty at Old Trafford!), it was so much worse.

    Literally just get PGMOL to a point where computers not some old guy is running offside lines manually and where apologies aren’t being handed out for wildly incorrect decisions and it’s party time.

    The vast majority of gripes aren’t that VAR intervened it’s that they didn’t! Second most common gripe is that VAR did intervene but in a way that it never usually does (pull on a shirt at a corner for example).

    Literally just get everyone on the same page, publish some guidelines/polices for commonly encountered situations (say shirt pulls in the box will only be a penalty if they have an observable consequence on the game) and lower the bar for intervention from clear and obvious to material and impactful and we’d be there.

    This isn’t a hard situation to solve, it just needs to be iteratively improved, with the underpinning assumptions of what would work best critically evaluated and the games stakeholders communicated with openly and honestly.

  • BTECGolfManagement@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    This is what the refs have always wanted btw - they’ve never ever been under more scrutiny than they have the past couple seasons and they’re squirming trying to figure out a way to change the as is

    Carragher doing PR pieces for the refs is an example of this shower of self-serving useless wankers trying to keep the status quo

  • Dinamo8@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    I don’t see any hypocrisy. You can say that you think it’s wrong for the type of Statements Arteta came out with and at the same time not want VAR anymore.

  • YoungFormal1252@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Where was this energy after the weekend’s premier league games…?

    Is this the same guy that called Arteta and Arsenal embarrassing for lambasting Var but now it’s Liverpool we need to limit it.

    This guy is an absolute bellend.

  • lee7on1@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    VAR became the main point of a lot of post-match discussions to the point that we never had so much complaining about refs. Every single big game has some VAR controversy, and this is just extremely bad.

    VAR needs to move to WC’s version of offside (that one simply can’t be disputed, even if it’s 1mm offside it’s easier to swallow than the line garbage) and for ABSOLUTELY CLEAR decisions. If VAR is taking 5 minutes to decide on something then that’s ridiculous.

    Or give coaches challenges or whatever. Current model is disgusting and ruining all of football discussions. I’m tired of analysing every single decision that refs make.

  • -MYTHR1L-@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Finally the movement to get VAR out of our game is gaining traction.

    Carra is right on the goalline tech, that can stay. But the offside rubbish can get binned. Scoring a goal is the best moment in football bar none, having to faff around even for a few seconds spoils it. There was nothing wrong with having a linesman before and the “3 yards offside” described in the article happened so rarely it doesn’t matter.

    Get fucking var out of the sport.

  • BalticKnight3000@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    VAR is a wonderful tool. If you’re too stupid to use a tool then you should resign and give the spot to someone who CAN use it.

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      1 year ago

      It’s funny yo see how many people here are against VAR, all of them with PL flairs. In the Eredivisie, it’s used in a (mostly) competent manner and I don’t think I’ve heard of a single person that wants VAR to be binned yet within Eredivisie context.

      • BalticKnight3000@alien.topB
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        1 year ago

        I know right? Getting rid of VAR is like demanding to get rid of cars because some drunk fool hit a child while coming back home from a bar.

        Just because the English refs are incredibly incompetent and/or perhaps corrupt doesn’t mean that VAR in itself is bad. Ridiculous.

        Replace the staff (they sure as shit got plenty of money to get the best refs in Europe) and get on with it.