Just curious to know if anyone has been using the same distro for multiple years/decades and what or if you have it takes for you to want to switch to a different distro?
Last time I did, it was thanks to canonical pushing snaps and other things no one asked for.
Same here. I had been sticking to Ubuntu flavours for over 15 years.
I stuck with Ubuntu over a decade, but eventually Arch had several packages I was interested in that Ubuntu did not, plus the Arch wiki. I wanted to use Sway with several rofi/dmenu type utils, and Arch had a lot more of those packaged.
Same. I had been using Ubuntu for over a decade for all of my Desktops, but had used CENTOS/Rocky for servers. Now I switched to Fedora for desktop which simplifies things since now only my Raspberry Pis use deb vs rpm.
Snap is super frustrating and the gate-keeping of updates and features behind the Pro subscription is annoying. I don’t want to have an account if I dint have to. It’s just one more privacy violation waiting to happen with no real benefit to me even if it is free for personal use.
When the Distro starts talking about enterprise features during the installation process (looking at you canonical)
“We now added AI to the kernel”
This would be 100% valid
Weird Al: Kernel Drivers
A parody kernel of Linux USB Support
Other than massive breakage, I’m not sure. Completely reinstalling and reconfiguring my setup is a pain in the ass, in part because of my slow internet connection. But damn if Ubuntu isn’t trying to find out.
Just use Mint.
How exactly am I going to do that without completely reinstalling?
Ship of Theseus challenge: https://lemmy.ml/post/27387345
I’m not a masochist.
Stickning to Ubuntu instead of ripping the bandaid? Still not a masochist?
Ok :)
I was just thinking about that post.
What a legend. So, it’s technically possible, but not recommended.
You don’t.
But when you eventually reinstall, because Ubuntu crossed the line, Mint is just Ubuntu without the bullshit.
Meh. Mint does remove most of Ubuntu’s corporate crap, but its update system is still based on Ubuntu’s sources but just far enough removed to cause new issues. I’d rather switch to Debian. I actually already have Debian installed in parallel, it’s just that actually configuring it with all the non-default bits and pieces of my Ubuntu install is a pain in the ass.
There is a Debian-based Mint edition: https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
I know.
I’ve changed distro’s a bunch of times personally and for business I have influence in a bunch of times in the last 30 odd years.
Slackware -> Redhat -> Suse -> Ubuntu -> Debian.
The reasons for each were ( as best I can recall ).
Slackware to Redhat was just because a proper package manager made sense at the time. I think the Redhat releases were a bit more up to date too.
Redhat to Suse was because Redhat stopped doing the free long term releases, the short term ones were too short to be workable.
Suse to Ubuntu was a similar thing to Redhat with Suse trying to push you into the enterprise version.
Ubuntu to Debian most recently was due to the Ubuntu releases coming with more and more unwanted crap, we had been running mint on desktops to avoid whatever their mutant gnome reskin was called and then their regular gnome releases, but we were still running regular Ubuntu on servers. Eventually when they started putting pretty core stuff in snaps we decided to move to Debian.
Hopefully that is the last migration we have to do for a while.
I really appreciate this well detailed response! 30 years of changing distros is pretty amazing you must know a lot
I’ve been using openSuSe Tumbleweed on one device or another for quite a while now. Recently I switched my last device, so I’m officially 100% Tumbleweed. NGL, feels pretty good. I would, however, switch under a few circumstances:
- openSuSe releases Tumbleweed clone with systemD alternative (like runit). I’ve tried Void repeatedly, but unfortunately never really fell in live with it.
- openSuSe releases NixOS style immutable distro (not the current aeon or kalpa) based on Tumbleweed.
Honestly, Tumbleweed is nearly perfect for me. It’s just that I’ve tasted what life without systemD can be like, and I goddamn miss it… I’m totally hooked on openSuSe products though.
Out of curiosity how is life without systemd better? What does it taste like?
Boot times. I am the kind of person who shuts my computer (may it be a laptop or desktop) down, whenever I’m not using it. With systemD, boot times are generally kind of annoying; runit, however, completely changes this. It really feels amazing to turn a Void Linux system on, and have it boot in seconds, with just one screen of logs. On top of that, if you’re doing a arch-style install (like the Void Linux minimal install), runit is just much nicer and more ergonomic. The main point is really boot time though, which I think is improved due to adhering to the Unix philosophy and having much less bloat. Using a runit system reminds you of how bloated and slow (and kinda convoluted) systemD is.
I’m also the kinda guy who spends hours optimizing my neovim config (~80 plugins, including LSP) for 20 millisecond start-up times. In the end, I still use Tumbleweed though.
Boot times.
I love how you chose one of the prime advertised features of The Cancer – and my rhel6 could boot faster than rhel7 every day.
By comparison, Systemd feels like jumping on the back of a charging gazelle and hitting it with a salmon in the hopes it’ll go the other way, all the while it’s bleating and emitting and defecating from its regular port and a whole new journald port of its own choosing. And often tripping.
Runit has been solid and fast. I’ve seen it on several projects - I want to say alpine and proton/vm and gitlab’s own weird setup - and it’s never let me down. I wish rh could have seen that instead like I wish they picked James over Mike for automation.
Well one day I heard about NixOS… And that’s all it took
Sell it to me, please
I wait and let everyone figure out what the least broken Linux distro is.
Debian is stable. Stable is good, for an operating system; because I actually want to use my computer.
Not play with the operating system for 4-6 hours per day.
I tried so hard to get Debian working on my new build. Problem being: it’s a new build. Debian’s glacial pacing meant my hardware won’t see support for a while. I might try again when Trixie finally releases, but I’m not getting my hopes up.
So I guess my answer is… I’ll distro hop when stability & support reach equal levels.
Trixie is usable right now. My server is running it. The final release is expected this summer.
I moved from Redhat when they started pulling the shit around getting paid for their source. I understand why they did it, but I disagreed with that choice and I moved.
I quit Ubuntu when I finally had enough of their insistence on their way for everything such as firefox via snap, sure I can and did work around their shit, but why the fuck should I?
I would move from Opensuse if they did something similar, if it became unreliably maintained, or if something much better came along.
I love my Tumbleweed install. It is rolling and new while also being rock solid. But I do have the itch to try new stuff which j do sometimes
Love me some tumbleweed. Snapper ready to go on on top of everything is also very nice to have.
Yeah I have the same impression of it, although the volume of some updates, even when I update daily, can be a little off-putting.
I wont move unless I have a good reason to, inertia over the effort to change when bored is too high
Same scenario as mine.
would move from Opensuse if they did something similar, if it became unreliably maintained
I saw too much while turning the corpse they kicked over the fence into a unitedLinux we could ship and support.
The horrors.
If the entire company died and absolutely new people made a new company by the same name with none of the former staff or principals involved, then I would consider suse. The taint goes so deep I would not consider even a new source drop with the same staff.
I’m not familiar with any of what you’re saying. Would you care to expand on it a little bit? Also, which distro do you use instead?
Saturday for some
Similar to other users - repos go down or corporate stuff starts to creep in.
As long as I get to maintain agency over my system I’m pretty content.
I used to distro hop all the time until I settled on Tumbleweed. I used that for eight years until Suse bared their corporate teeth and I got fed up with being two generations behind on the Nvidia drivers. I’ve been using EndeavourOS for almost a year and don’t see me moving any time soon.
Huh? Nvidia even have their own Tumbleweed repository.
Yeah I know. You’d think it would be bang up to date, but that wasn’t the case. I think it has been updated now though.
Now that you say it I remember there being something along those lines. Yeah, by now it has been fixed.
An operating system is a means to an end. I’m not looking to critique a package manager, I’m looking to get work done. If it can support the applications I need it’s perfect.
There was a power loss, my PC was on UPS for some time and UPS battery started running low. I initiated the shutdown and systemd stopped it because it could not find a network share on the already stopped server. It didn’t gave up so I ended with fucked filesystem because the battery died. Switched to systemd free distro the day after.
Switched to systemd free distro the day after.
PCLinuxOS?
Tell me more about how lennart’s cancer killed your machine too.
It was Ubuntu. Switched to Artix…
Systemd has its own OOM killer which was killing my VMs as soon as there is more than 50% of RAM in use.
Jebus. I never even suspect lennart’s people metastasized into there too.
That sucks!
I’m on Ubuntu, which I admit is not a popular option around here. But when my power goes out I use apcupsd and a network component to alert my attached or networked Ubuntu machines. When the power first goes out all of my non-essential machines automatically shut down gracefully. When the backup batteries get low enough (I have several separate APC units around the house) my essential machines also shut down automatically.
When the power comes back up one of my machines automatically powers up and runs a few checks before turning most of my other stuff back on.
I have very few power issues which last long enough for my batteries to run out, but when I do the only evidence is a few alerts and the fact that I have to log back into everything. All of my windows restore on my GUI machines, and no filesystem issues occur. It’s more seamless than when I ran Windows, granted that was 25 years ago.
I’m similarly not a fan of systemd, but for backup battery and power management it seems to do the trick.
I’m similarly not a fan of systemd, but for backup battery and power management it seems to do the trick.
You say that like it’s a feature we never had before. I used apcupsd to save my homelab server many, maaany times during blackouts in NJ, and I was there from 1999.
I’m not sure what you mean?
I’m certainly not saying systemd is the only way or best way to solve this problem, only that it does in fact work, despite the other many misgivings I have with it.
I’m also not sure whether you’re trying to turn this into a measuring contest, or why? My home setups are relatively rigorous for a residential setting, but they’re all based on the many many years I worked in data centers, mostly in Los Angeles which is notorious for poor power availability and stability.
For servers, yes. But I want full control on desktop.
That makes sense.
The last time we had a power issue and I was at my desktop I didn’t get any GUI notifications of the outage, so that’s a miss.
However the incessant beeping coming from every APC in the house was enough to tell me that stuff was about to go really sideways 😂 I was able to manually power down my desktop before the systemd stuff kicked in.
