• kreskin@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    18 hours ago

    I’m disappointed that Newsom didnt call this out very much. The police activity was wildly unacceptable and often aggressively criminal-- on camera, and still no one in power did anything about it. And he wants to run for president? He’s the wrong guy to meet the challenges of our time if he cant control his own states police force’s wildly illegal fascist far right behavior…

  • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    70
    ·
    edit-2
    3 days ago

    Just read the whole article!

    But I cannot resist quoting some bits that stood out to me:

    While some organizations reported from inside the protest itself, most did not: They set up camp behind the police line, or reported using drone footage, or simply asked the cops what to say. “Dozens of people were arrested Sunday and accused of attempted murder, arson and other crimes during a day of violence and protests in Los Angeles,” NBC Los Angeles declared in an article based exclusively on LAPD sources. It’s an understandable decision on their part. Just look at Lauren Tomasi, a reporter for the Australian Channel Nine news service who got “caught in the crossfire” and struck with a rubber bullet while reporting—by which I mean an LA police officer aimed directly at the reporter from close range and shot her. (…) As of Tuesday morning, the LA Press Club documented over 30 injuries to members of the press. Easier and safer to parrot police talking points than face down their guns.

    (…)

    The idea that cops were just reacting to protester provocation is absurd. Cops occupied intersections in an attempt to split the protest, then occasionally charged the protest lines that surrounded them to force the crowds to temporarily retreat. These assaults seemed unrelated to protester action or lack thereof. At one point, while the cops were unloading round after round of blue-tipped rubber bullets into a crowd hunkered down behind a barricade, a different group of protesters approached from the side and threw a firework into the center of the police line. The cops turned their fire against the group, which ran off, but did not pursue them. Thirty seconds later, the cops were back to shooting at the barricade.

    (…)

    When I arrived on the scene, the cops were seriously outnumbered—thousands of protesters, a couple hundred cops. If there had truly been a riot, those cops would have found themselves overrun, disarmed, brutalized. But it was a protest. So they were fine.

    And yet, the anti-protester framing is relentless, even from otherwise balanced sources.

    I like that the writer doesn’t try to gloss over the occasional violent act from the protesters’ side, but instead always points out cause and effect, how understandable a reaction it is when you’re being shot at for - well, protesting.

    Trump can call these protests invasions all he wants: I know what I saw. As the sun began to set, riot cops from the LA county sheriff’s department showed up on trucks, fully kitted out with shields and gas masks. The rapidly shrinking protest saw the writing on the wall and, rather than confront these militarized enforcers, turned and walked away, into the night and into the city. For hours they marched, blasting mariachi music and old-school West Coast rap and chanting their simple, reasonable demand:
    “No ICE in LA!”

      • redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        3 days ago

        Need the moral high ground to win. Don’t worry, pretty sure we’re almost to the part of the show where a kid gets killed on camera followed by the obvious

    • xyzzy@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      12
      ·
      3 days ago

      If the protestors were peacefully marching with firearms, the police wouldn’t even have shown up.

      • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        3 days ago

        This.

        Cops shoot unarmed people because they’re cowards.

        Armed protesters aren’t shot at. It changes the dynamic when protesters are capable of defending themselves against the occupying military force that is most police agencies.

        • kreskin@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          18 hours ago

          Cops arent even scared to do their illegal violence on camera anymore. Things have gotten steadily worse when it comes to cops. And even californian lawmakers, often accused of being the most leftist state legislators there are, do nothing – except for some pointless both sidesism. The governor should have been out in the protest if he wanted to be elected president.

        • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          18 hours ago

          I don’t think cops are going to try and break up thousands of people open carrying, even pigs have survival instincts.

          Not that a protest crowd would actually be able to effectively defend itself if someone gave the Marines an order to open fire.

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      3 days ago

      Hasn’t it always been? It’s just more visible rn, volume went to 11, trump is an obvious dictator mobster wannabe loser, but hasn’t the US always been just this anyway?

      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        3 days ago

        Not really, no. Not like this. Just since the talibangelicals have seized control. Yeah, there absolutely have been problems before, but they corrected back to the middle. Not this time.

    • Øπ3ŕ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      18
      arrow-down
      26
      ·
      edit-2
      3 days ago

      That might imply that it hasn’t been for generations.

      edit: suck my bare ass, all you trolls, bots, and various propaganda fucktoys. This nation is fully in the WIP stage, and has been from the jump, but if you honestly believe otherwise, I’m more likely to bet you’re a gawdamned idiot than trust your ability to cogently grasp the salient concepts.

      • Brave Little Hitachi Wand@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        22
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        3 days ago

        You don’t have to keep spiking that football, everyone who gives a damn about history knows and it downplays the very real worsening that is also happening.

        • Øπ3ŕ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          3 days ago

          No, it most certainly does not, but applauding the silencing of our histories’ many lessons in its myriad failures most certainly is working in the favor of anti-intellectualism and other tactics of fascism. You do you, though.

          Oh, and by the way, do you know what they called Nazi apologists back in the day? I mean, you don’t really come across those two words used together much, you know. It’s because the correct term for a Nazi “apologist” is simply: Nazi. Just something to keep in mind, I guess.

          • Brave Little Hitachi Wand@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            12
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            3 days ago

            I’m gonna go on record and say I think you’re a good person, and I try to be too, and I think this has been a miscommunication. We’re all stressed as hell lately and I genuinely think of myself as on the same side as you.

            • Øπ3ŕ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              3 days ago

              Fair points all, and FWIW, I’m sorry that your movie’ll never see the light of day. You, and those like you, are the ^mostly silent peacekeepers in the world — defusing uncountable conflicts every single day. Y’all should have an international holiday named after your Good works, NGL. 🙇🏽‍♂️🤘🏼

      • Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        edit-2
        3 days ago

        I fucking love these guys who show up and are like

        Akshually…

        Totally dismissing the current thing.

        • Øπ3ŕ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          3 days ago

          Ooh, ooh, and the spectators who thump their chests and point at the things they didn’t do — all for whatever scraps of make-believe points from anonymous strangers they can scarf down. Oh, I love those heroes the most.

      • Akasazh@feddit.nl
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        3 days ago

        I must comment that I down voted not because of the content of your initial comment, but because of the tone of your edit.

        Insulting people doesn’t get your point across, I understand that there’s a lot of anger, but communication is really key and the time it takes to percolate is glacial. Yet by abuse understanding walks the other way.

        I’m this case it’s better to embrace the common consensus that the USA is fucked, where you agree, rather than focus on the throwaway ‘rn’ that you go off on.