That is what Russia is calling its actions in Ukraine and your description of bombing and terrorizing Civilians both is true for Israel/US genocide in Gaza and the recent attacks on Iran, which have killed hundred of Civilians and hit hospitals, schools, journalists…
Ukraines government is either so backed against the wall or stupid to embrace these actions by Israel and the US, by which it legitimizes similar attacks on Ukrainian civilians.
But Ukraine is not “part of the club”. Before the fullscale Russian invasion a lot of western sentiment was basically Ukraine being the same as Russia and part of “the other”. And when the war eventually ends, the same will happen again quickly. The sad reality is that Ukraine has very little “friends” on the geopolitical stage.
Are you judging Russia based on their propaganda?
I don’t condone the bombing of Iran, but the 2 situations are so far from similar your comparison is idiotic.
Ukraine is stupid to engage in the same propaganda rhetoric to please its “allies” that Russia uses to justify its attacks on Ukraine. It is bullshit in either cases and Ukraine weakens its position to call out bullshit legitimately by parroting the same talking points in a different constellation. This is especially true as Zelensky kept comparing Israel to Ukraine and with this comparison boosting Russias allegations of Ukrainian war crimes.
How is it similar if Ukraine see preventing Iran from having nukes as a legitimate target?
Ukraine gave up their nukes against guarantees that USA would help protect them.
Then Russia invades anyway in 2014, Because they want Crimea.
And Obama says to Ukraine they are on their own.
Then in 2022 Russia invade again, despite Ukraine is not in any way threatening Russia.
And Biden makes some half-assed support for Ukraine, giving them support, but only just enough to maintain a stalemate.
It is clearly no wonder why Ukraine want USA to make good on their promise, but USA is a shit country you can’t rely on. It’s n0ot just Trump, it’s actually 3 presidents, and 2 of them were democratic.
But there is no way you can claim Ukraine is parroting Russia in this, the difference is that Iran is trying to get nukes, and Ukraine gave up theirs for protection.
But clearly the advice to Iran must be to get those nukes as fast as they freakingly can, because they can’t trust Israel and USA to not attack unless they have them.
How is it similar if Ukraine see preventing Iran from having nukes as a legitimate target?
The IAEA said there was no evidence of that. The CIA said since their first assessment in 2007 Iran has not been seeking to develop nuclear weapons. An assessment that was reconfirmed in the 2025 intelligence report.
It was a lie and everyone knows it is a lie, except for the people gullible enough to follow the propaganda.
This was three days before the full scale invasion by Russia into Ukraine:
It is exactly the same play. “There is weapons of mass destructions. We need to prevent that!” Iran was neither threatening the US nor Israel with attacks and only responded to Israel attacks in 2024. Zelensky knows that. The knows that he is forsaking international law and truth in the hopes he would get some scraps.
Ukraines government is either so backed against the wall
Probably this. They can start worrying about morality and integrity once their existence is no longer on the line. I don’t blame them for prioritising their own survival.
So far I don’t think the US strikes specifically on Iran are known to have killed or even wounded anyone, let alone civilians, nor hit hospitals or schools, right?
The US is providing weapons and intelligence for Israel to have targeted these places in Iran though. Furthermore the US is defending Israel against Iranian counterattacks so i would not distinguish the US from Israel in terms of responsibility.
Even if they did kill someone it would be someone working in someway with nuclear materials. (including the person who cleans the bathroom there though)
Setting aside that they hit residential areas, what is that supposed to prove? Are scientists now valid military targets? Should Iran bomb Tel Aviv University? Are nuclear power plants now fair game in war?
I’m referring to the US, not Isreal. AFAIK the US only hit nuclear facilities, and anyone who would have died there was thus working in a nuclear facility.
Though Iran has been bombing Isreal residential areas for a long time - not directly, but they have been funding all the groups who have been sending bombs, morters, and everything else. Iran just deserves a share of the blame for Gaza genocide as if they were not enabling the attacks, Isreal would not be as interested in such attacks. (how much is not knowable, but there is a share for sure)
and anyone who would have died there was thus working in a nuclear facility.
Okay, and? To repeat myself, are scientists now valid military targets? Should Iran bomb Tel Aviv University? Are nuclear power plants fair game in war?
Iran just deserves a share of the blame for Gaza genocide as if they were not enabling the attacks, Isreal would not be as interested in such attacks.
That… is completely false. Like have you seen what they’re doing to the pretty much completely submissive West Bank? All pretense of Israel acting in self-defense is pure fiction. Palestinians have the right to resist Israeli oppression by whatever means necessary.
Factories making military equipment have always been valid targets. Obviously I can’t know for sure every site was working on nuclear weapons, but those that were are fair targets as far as I know.
Whether or not it was a good move is an entirely different thing though.
That is what Russia is calling its actions in Ukraine and your description of bombing and terrorizing Civilians both is true for Israel/US genocide in Gaza and the recent attacks on Iran, which have killed hundred of Civilians and hit hospitals, schools, journalists…
Ukraines government is either so backed against the wall or stupid to embrace these actions by Israel and the US, by which it legitimizes similar attacks on Ukrainian civilians.
But Ukraine is not “part of the club”. Before the fullscale Russian invasion a lot of western sentiment was basically Ukraine being the same as Russia and part of “the other”. And when the war eventually ends, the same will happen again quickly. The sad reality is that Ukraine has very little “friends” on the geopolitical stage.
Are you judging Russia based on their propaganda?
I don’t condone the bombing of Iran, but the 2 situations are so far from similar your comparison is idiotic.
Ukraine is stupid to engage in the same propaganda rhetoric to please its “allies” that Russia uses to justify its attacks on Ukraine. It is bullshit in either cases and Ukraine weakens its position to call out bullshit legitimately by parroting the same talking points in a different constellation. This is especially true as Zelensky kept comparing Israel to Ukraine and with this comparison boosting Russias allegations of Ukrainian war crimes.
How is it similar if Ukraine see preventing Iran from having nukes as a legitimate target?
Ukraine gave up their nukes against guarantees that USA would help protect them.
Then Russia invades anyway in 2014, Because they want Crimea.
And Obama says to Ukraine they are on their own.
Then in 2022 Russia invade again, despite Ukraine is not in any way threatening Russia.
And Biden makes some half-assed support for Ukraine, giving them support, but only just enough to maintain a stalemate.
It is clearly no wonder why Ukraine want USA to make good on their promise, but USA is a shit country you can’t rely on. It’s n0ot just Trump, it’s actually 3 presidents, and 2 of them were democratic.
But there is no way you can claim Ukraine is parroting Russia in this, the difference is that Iran is trying to get nukes, and Ukraine gave up theirs for protection.
But clearly the advice to Iran must be to get those nukes as fast as they freakingly can, because they can’t trust Israel and USA to not attack unless they have them.
The IAEA said there was no evidence of that. The CIA said since their first assessment in 2007 Iran has not been seeking to develop nuclear weapons. An assessment that was reconfirmed in the 2025 intelligence report.
It was a lie and everyone knows it is a lie, except for the people gullible enough to follow the propaganda.
This was three days before the full scale invasion by Russia into Ukraine:
It is exactly the same play. “There is weapons of mass destructions. We need to prevent that!” Iran was neither threatening the US nor Israel with attacks and only responded to Israel attacks in 2024. Zelensky knows that. The knows that he is forsaking international law and truth in the hopes he would get some scraps.
Probably this. They can start worrying about morality and integrity once their existence is no longer on the line. I don’t blame them for prioritising their own survival.
So far I don’t think the US strikes specifically on Iran are known to have killed or even wounded anyone, let alone civilians, nor hit hospitals or schools, right?
The US is providing weapons and intelligence for Israel to have targeted these places in Iran though. Furthermore the US is defending Israel against Iranian counterattacks so i would not distinguish the US from Israel in terms of responsibility.
Yeah but I don’t think anyone was referring to Israel’s actions as the US doing “preventative bombing”?
Even if they did kill someone it would be someone working in someway with nuclear materials. (including the person who cleans the bathroom there though)
Setting aside that they hit residential areas, what is that supposed to prove? Are scientists now valid military targets? Should Iran bomb Tel Aviv University? Are nuclear power plants now fair game in war?
I’m referring to the US, not Isreal. AFAIK the US only hit nuclear facilities, and anyone who would have died there was thus working in a nuclear facility.
Though Iran has been bombing Isreal residential areas for a long time - not directly, but they have been funding all the groups who have been sending bombs, morters, and everything else. Iran just deserves a share of the blame for Gaza genocide as if they were not enabling the attacks, Isreal would not be as interested in such attacks. (how much is not knowable, but there is a share for sure)
Okay, and? To repeat myself, are scientists now valid military targets? Should Iran bomb Tel Aviv University? Are nuclear power plants fair game in war?
That… is completely false. Like have you seen what they’re doing to the pretty much completely submissive West Bank? All pretense of Israel acting in self-defense is pure fiction. Palestinians have the right to resist Israeli oppression by whatever means necessary.
Factories making military equipment have always been valid targets. Obviously I can’t know for sure every site was working on nuclear weapons, but those that were are fair targets as far as I know.
Whether or not it was a good move is an entirely different thing though.