“Let’s get there and then decide” is usually not a good way to tackle issues… but I guess it’s not up to us anyway to decide, unfortunately it looks like it’s going to take a long time before that becomes reality.
This is not an issue and it’s not one that needs tackling. It’s literally bored Lemmings taking an argument to the extreme for the sake of being argumentative.
It’s currently not an issue, and it’s not going to be one for a long, long time. But it’s still a sort of double standard that will eventually need to be addressed if society progresses enough. Talking about it now is pointless, sure, but so is most stuff people do on the internet.
will eventually need to be addressed if society progresses enough
That’s the funniest “hypothetical” shit I’ve ever heard.
So let be get this right… we’re gonna make it an issue because you’re bored and need something to grind your axe? I’m glad it’s not something that affects you personally to the point that people like you are murdered all over the world for being different.
Because if you think this shit is trivial and annoying, you’re drowning in a world filled with privilege.
-I think “this shit is trivial and annoying” (whatever “shit” you’re talking about, since I never belittled any argument, except maybe my own ones).
All I said was that I find weird that people take pride in stuff they didn’t choose to be, and that having a different approach to “pride” based on your sexuality is a logical fallacy that will eventually need to be addressed, once all the other, more important, issues are resolved.
You’re making it sound like I did a call to arms for people to stop being proud of being gay because they annoy me or something.
like I did a call to arms for people to stop being proud
See, the irony is that I did no such thing and that you’re the one misconstruing my points. When what I did was criticize you–as in judgement. Here’s what actually happened:
I want to “make it an issue”
You literally are trying to make it an issue. Here are your words: “It’s currently not an issue […] But it’s still a sort of double standard” blah blah. That is literally you trying to find fault in something that is not problematic in any way. Your whole premise hinges on “if society progresses enough” like you’re trying to prevent a social disaster from happening in your mind. That is the pettiest battle to take on the strangest vanguard that I’ve ever heard. You’re pulling an issue out of thin air.
I want to “grind my axe”
That’s exactly what you’re doing, though, and I’m calling you out. You’re being argumentative over something that does not need to be argued about and ultimately fuels disdain because of this strange need to want to have a straight pride. Instead, be thankful that you don’t need it to exist. If gay people could forego pride entirely in order to live in peace, we would in a heartbeat. I’m still getting homophobic shit in a supposedly gay-friendly city.
I think “this shit is trivial and annoying”
My exact words were “if you think this shit is trivial and annoying”. You omitted the most important word of this hypothetical condition. At no point does it make it fact that it’s what you think.
I find weird that people take pride in stuff they didn’t choose to be
And I find it weird that people try to shame me regularly for something that I didn’t choose to be. What am I supposed to be if not prideful and without shame of who I am? Pride is literally a valid antonym of shame. But let me know what your effective and concise alternative is to express that. Anything constructive that doesn’t sound ridiculous?
You may think you’re smart by slapping destructive and inaccurate labels like “logical fallacy” on a device that my community has used to fight back to get us to where we are. But you’re saying this all the while using other idioms incorrectly and failing to identify intention. Get your basics right, man.
Okay, I’ll admit I did not know the “grind your axe” idiom and assumed it meant something along the lines of “sharpen your knives”, in the sense that I wanted an excuse to be angry (and metaphorically violent) at someone. I honestly still didn’t completely get what you meant because the first three definitions I found are all different from each other, but none is what I thought you meant so my bad.
You literally are trying to make it an issue. Here are your words: “It’s currently not an issue […] But it’s still a sort of double standard” blah blah. That is literally you trying to find fault in something that is not problematic in any way. Your whole premise hinges on “if society progresses enough” like you’re trying to prevent a social disaster from happening in your mind. That is the pettiest battle to take on the strangest vanguard that I’ve ever heard. You’re pulling an issue out of thin air.
You think it’s not problematic in any way. Tell me how it isn’t a double standard (by default a fallacy if we want both parties to be equal) then. And again, I’m not trying to prevent anything, at one point I even said it’s currently not important and it’s not for our generation to care, but you wanted to keep discussing because even suggesting it might be a slight problem in the far future is unacceptable.
You’re being argumentative over something that does not need to be argued about and ultimately fuels disdain because of this strange need to want to have a straight pride.
It’s the opposite, actually. I said it’s weird to have pride for something like that, be it gay or straight. They’re both weird in my view and I don’t see why would I ever be proud about my sexual preferences.
What am I supposed to be if not prideful and without shame of who I am? Pride is literally a valid antonym of shame. But let me know what your effective and concise alternative is to express that. Anything constructive that doesn’t sound ridiculous?
Why is it so important to express it? And even if it was, why can’t you just be “not ashamed”? It’s not a dichotomy. There are plenty of things about myself I’m not prideful nor shameful about, and my sexuality is one of them. You say “straight pride” doesn’t need to exist, but you don’t think that as a consequence they have to be ashamed about it, do you?
You may think you’re smart by slapping destructive and inaccurate labels like “logical fallacy” on a device that my community has used to fight back to get us to where we are.
The logical fallacy is in “proud of being gay” and “proud of being straight” meaning exactly the same thing but being viewed with diametrically opposite acceptations. I don’t think the entire LGBT rights movement is founded on that.
So let’s get there first, then.
Ok. I’m waiting and doing my part in voting for progressive parties in my country. Am I not allowed to make conjectures on the internet that in no way harm the progress your community is trying to achieve, in the meantime?
“Let’s get there and then decide” is usually not a good way to tackle issues… but I guess it’s not up to us anyway to decide, unfortunately it looks like it’s going to take a long time before that becomes reality.
This is not an issue and it’s not one that needs tackling. It’s literally bored Lemmings taking an argument to the extreme for the sake of being argumentative.
It’s currently not an issue, and it’s not going to be one for a long, long time. But it’s still a sort of double standard that will eventually need to be addressed if society progresses enough. Talking about it now is pointless, sure, but so is most stuff people do on the internet.
That’s the funniest “hypothetical” shit I’ve ever heard.
So let be get this right… we’re gonna make it an issue because you’re bored and need something to grind your axe? I’m glad it’s not something that affects you personally to the point that people like you are murdered all over the world for being different.
Because if you think this shit is trivial and annoying, you’re drowning in a world filled with privilege.
I mean, you’re just putting words in my mouth at this point.
Point to the part where that happened and explain how.
You said:
-I want to “make it an issue”
-I want to “grind my axe”
-I think “this shit is trivial and annoying” (whatever “shit” you’re talking about, since I never belittled any argument, except maybe my own ones).
All I said was that I find weird that people take pride in stuff they didn’t choose to be, and that having a different approach to “pride” based on your sexuality is a logical fallacy that will eventually need to be addressed, once all the other, more important, issues are resolved.
You’re making it sound like I did a call to arms for people to stop being proud of being gay because they annoy me or something.
See, the irony is that I did no such thing and that you’re the one misconstruing my points. When what I did was criticize you–as in judgement. Here’s what actually happened:
You literally are trying to make it an issue. Here are your words: “It’s currently not an issue […] But it’s still a sort of double standard” blah blah. That is literally you trying to find fault in something that is not problematic in any way. Your whole premise hinges on “if society progresses enough” like you’re trying to prevent a social disaster from happening in your mind. That is the pettiest battle to take on the strangest vanguard that I’ve ever heard. You’re pulling an issue out of thin air.
That’s exactly what you’re doing, though, and I’m calling you out. You’re being argumentative over something that does not need to be argued about and ultimately fuels disdain because of this strange need to want to have a straight pride. Instead, be thankful that you don’t need it to exist. If gay people could forego pride entirely in order to live in peace, we would in a heartbeat. I’m still getting homophobic shit in a supposedly gay-friendly city.
My exact words were “if you think this shit is trivial and annoying”. You omitted the most important word of this hypothetical condition. At no point does it make it fact that it’s what you think.
And I find it weird that people try to shame me regularly for something that I didn’t choose to be. What am I supposed to be if not prideful and without shame of who I am? Pride is literally a valid antonym of shame. But let me know what your effective and concise alternative is to express that. Anything constructive that doesn’t sound ridiculous?
You may think you’re smart by slapping destructive and inaccurate labels like “logical fallacy” on a device that my community has used to fight back to get us to where we are. But you’re saying this all the while using other idioms incorrectly and failing to identify intention. Get your basics right, man.
So let’s get there first, then.
Okay, I’ll admit I did not know the “grind your axe” idiom and assumed it meant something along the lines of “sharpen your knives”, in the sense that I wanted an excuse to be angry (and metaphorically violent) at someone. I honestly still didn’t completely get what you meant because the first three definitions I found are all different from each other, but none is what I thought you meant so my bad.
You think it’s not problematic in any way. Tell me how it isn’t a double standard (by default a fallacy if we want both parties to be equal) then. And again, I’m not trying to prevent anything, at one point I even said it’s currently not important and it’s not for our generation to care, but you wanted to keep discussing because even suggesting it might be a slight problem in the far future is unacceptable.
It’s the opposite, actually. I said it’s weird to have pride for something like that, be it gay or straight. They’re both weird in my view and I don’t see why would I ever be proud about my sexual preferences.
Why is it so important to express it? And even if it was, why can’t you just be “not ashamed”? It’s not a dichotomy. There are plenty of things about myself I’m not prideful nor shameful about, and my sexuality is one of them. You say “straight pride” doesn’t need to exist, but you don’t think that as a consequence they have to be ashamed about it, do you?
The logical fallacy is in “proud of being gay” and “proud of being straight” meaning exactly the same thing but being viewed with diametrically opposite acceptations. I don’t think the entire LGBT rights movement is founded on that.
Ok. I’m waiting and doing my part in voting for progressive parties in my country. Am I not allowed to make conjectures on the internet that in no way harm the progress your community is trying to achieve, in the meantime?