• ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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    16 hours ago

    The freedom to not be kicked out of your home and sent to a foreign land because of who your parents happened to be is as much a right or construct as the right to speech, belief, or any other codified right.
    Hence why if that’s not a right, then there are really none of significance.

    Rights are not bestowed by governments, international declarations, or treaties.

    Arguing that a sovereign nations laws contradicting something makes it not a human right is a powerfully slippery slope.

    The rights of people matter more than those of nations.

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      47 minutes ago

      Rights are bestowed by governments though. We have moved passed roaming the land and setting up a homestead wherever you like, we now have governments that scribe boundaries and zone land, it is no longer “freedom”. If you are worried about citizenship and your parents move it is on them to pursue PR and then citizenship, then the same for their children.

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        36 minutes ago

        I’m fairly certain that you either never took or utterly failed basically any civics or philosophy class.

        Human rights exist outside the context of government. It’s why something can be legal and still a human rights violation.

        • phutatorius@lemmy.zip
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          11 minutes ago

          Human rights exist outside the context of government.

          That’s the Enlightenment interpretation, but it’s certainly not the only one taught in philosophy classes. There’s also a view that rights are negotiated, and that when a government fails to respect a right, it’s as good as gone until the government is again forced to concede it. In that interpretation, rights are not God-given, they’re fought for.