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    12 hours ago

    And yet the comments and downvotes shows how contentious it is which I knew it would be when I wrote it.

    I know the trans-women in sport issue is almost non-existent but it’s probably the biggest talking point in the comments it seems.

    Personally I agree with you. I always vote left and am more of a “we’re in in together” mindset.

    Either way, thank you for you insight!

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      11 hours ago

      And yet the comments and downvotes shows how contentious it is which I knew it would be when I wrote it.

      Probably extra contentious because it’s trans discrimination on Pride weekend. And there’s the fact that some research (backed by the International Olympic Committee) suggests that trans-women may perform worse than cis-women.

      Even if more research comes out that shows otherwise (entirely possible considering that it’s hard to get a decent sample population of elite trans athletes as there are so few), discrimination is not a solution. The simplest solution would be to get rid of gendered leagues and group athletes by measureable athletic abilities. Probably would make most people with an actual vested interest happy, with exception of those who want to keep paying women less.

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        11 hours ago

        Oh wow, I did not know that! For both points. It’s great to see more research, I skimmed a little but I’ll read it right after this comment.

        I like the idea of athletes competing against one another purely to see who is best overall. But I’d be worried that could possibly be more discriminatory. Such as in bouldering there was recently a controversial issue with a short climber not being able to compete in some climbs due to certain starting holds being too far apart. So something like weight classes but that considers a lot more depending on the sport?

        Thanks so much for your reply and your linked study! I’m really happy for comments like yours.

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      12 hours ago

      I know the trans-women in sport issue is almost non-existent but it’s probably the biggest talking point in the comments it seems.

      Not to surprising, since it is a standpoint that lays the foundation for oppressing and dehumanising one of the most vulnerable groups if society.

      First it was just Trans people in sport, then it is trans people in bathrooms and the next step is eradicating trans peoples existence from public spaces.

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        11 hours ago

        Which is very sad and I’m not for that.

        The only point I was making was for fair competition in women’s sport, and broader still that centrist exist with non black and white opinions.

        I believe we are as a society, getting better at accepting people. In my country we’re decently accepting I think, although there is still the intolerant person here and there. Overall I do hope one day everyone is accepting of everyone else.

        Thanks for your thoughts though.

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          11 hours ago

          The only point I was making was for fair competition in women’s sport

          Which you don’t seem to have researched, or you would have known about the standards already in place to keep competition fair.

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            I cited a study before that trans-women retain around 12% of the strength they had previously even with blockers in place. So it is still technically, not fair.

            Although there may be more research that I’m reading about that someone metioned, in which case my opinion may change but the research is still somewhat inconclusive and requires more evidence.

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              in which case my opinion may change but the research is still somewhat inconclusive and requires more evidence.

              And until then, you side with anti-trans bigots.

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                    No, I simpily side with research. Full stop. That’s how opinions adapt, how people become better, learn and be wiser.

                    If you don’t adapt your beliefs over time than that is truely sad.

                    Don’t paint everyone with the same brush, lest someone paints you.

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      11 hours ago

      I know the trans-women in sport issue is almost non-existent but it’s probably the biggest talking point in the comments it seems.

      Says the person who brought it up.

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        It was simpily an argument for me being centrist and therefore legitimate centrist existing.

        It clearly worked in demonstrating what a centrists opinions are like and no one has so far argued I fall on one side or the other.

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          Sure. just bring up divisive right wing talking points. And then call yourself a centrist.

          It tracks.

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            10 hours ago

            And what about my left wing opinions? Would the right wing accept me or would they be as friendly as you lot are?

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              Would the right wing accept me or would they be as friendly as you lot are?

              You’re asking us to accept bigoted opinions and threatening to go to the right like you weren’t there already.

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                No, I’m not, I’m comparing how so many commenters are unfriendly here to the point of insulting and abuse.

                I know the right act the same and have treated me the same. Therefore I belong nowhere, not accepted from the left, not accepted from the right.

                So I’m neither, cue being a centrist.

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                  Sounds to me like you want to keep your bigoted opinions yet still expect to be accepted by people who don’t like bigotry.

                  So yeah, a centrist. In the “conservative dating profile” sense.