Some more info from the latest Theo and Harris video. Christian comments customers not only got up and left but some dumped their investment in the watches. Christian also says he’s received “risky pictures and videos” of Journe before, and apparently gets too drunk and “fun”. He also aludes to racist comments imo by saying “his age and culture is not in necessary concert with modern times”. Interesting stuff.
Still confused why nobody will say what he said. If it was racist why not expose him? They did say they didn’t exactly know what was said at the dinner but feels like BS to me.Christian ends the video saying he would recommend to his friends that if you have hundreds of thousands of dollars in Journe to sell
If I only had a video of what Jacob said coming out of an elevator in Miami years ago…. Lol he’d be cancelled is milliseconds
Jacob is a sleezeball. Let’s not forget that he was arrested for money laundering in 2006.
And the thing he said is…?
You can imagine some references to a certain minority ….
People sell of watches because of comments made by the person who designed them? lol
If anyone has FPJ they’d like to part with for 1% of its price then call me, I’ll gladly take it off your hands
Nobody’s gonna expose him till all the whales get their investment plus “reasonable rate of return.”
Rich European dude is terrible in private? I am shocked
Someone is terrible in private. I am shocked.
That’s the correct statement, no need to phrase it any other way. A lot of people are utter shit.
Am I just getting old or is this sub just full of watch nephews? People are acting here like they’ve never heard of F.P. Journe’s antics throughout the years. His personality and attitude are not exactly industry secret.
And by the way, Michael and Christian are just talking out of their asses. As far as I know, there’s nothing sexual or racist from his latest tirade. Those are just dumb speculations. We’re talking about an almost-autistic man who genuinely believes he is the next best thing to God in watchmaking, not a dirty old man who used to stack “gooks” five feet high in Korea to use them as sandbags.
F.P. Journe has been alienating collectors ever since he started his brand. Unlike most other watchmakers, he views most collectors with contempt. Many times, he has refused to sell his watches to collectors who don’t properly show him their appreciation of his horological prowess.
But don’t just take my word for it. Here are some “internet evidence” I’ve nicely collected for you since you all seem to be born yesterday:
- “FPJ himself is a stellar watchmaker but a boer of an individual who is legendary to watch industry insiders as to conducting himself in a manner considered by most to be totally unacceptable from a business standpoint and non-customer focused (I am putting this nicely).”
- “Maybe if FPJ is more likeable, he could sell more watches or demand higher price. If you like the person, maybe you’ll like the products even more. I hear he’s not a very sociable person, a horological genius nevertheless.”
- When asked by William Massena on why he started his own brand, Journe simply replied “Because I am fed up of giving caviar to swine!”
- “Luckily, Journe has amassed a cult following of rabid collectors and fellow watchmakers who marvel over his creations. Therefore, he can take any attitude he wants. Some might call him temperamental and arrogant.”
- source: François Paul Journe (2023)
Are they gonna be cheaper now ???
If anyone wants to dump their FPJ Tourbillon call me
Indeed.
Anyone got one of those Chronomètre Bleu watches to dispose of? I’ll save you the social stigma of wearing it.
They’re liquidating them not giving them away. Hope you got 100k lying around.
If they want me to save them the burden of association with FP Journe, they’ll need to pay up!
Previous big thread from last month after Nico’s video mentioned the same subject:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/17j37u5/fp_journe_what_happened/
Still confused why nobody will say what he said.
A few reasons to that. It’s going to generate more content and clicks by dragging this shit out long term, so for the YouTubers or content creators who make their living off of making watch content, the longer they talk about this by slowly releasing the info the better.
Also, the watch industry is fucking weird, with most brands and individuals being oddly shuttered and extremely secretive, so the people who know this info probably do not want to directly come out and say what they heard, in fear of their identity being outed and being blacklisted in the industry. Not even exaggerating saying this but FPJ in particular will literally blacklist customers for selling their watches. They expect them to buy and keep forever, and if you ever sell, ESPECIALLY if it’s a limited production piece, you will never buy from them again.
They likely just don’t know the details. It’s all second- or third-hand rumour to them too.
Well you wouldn’t want to risk yourself being open to a defamation lawsuit so they just say stuff without saying anything.
Maybe they should give F.P. journe a second chance. Give his dad an opportunity to mentor him, sure he’s gonna give Christian’s dad a call and they’ll realize it was all locker room talk. It was an honest mistake and everyone deserves a second chance, right T&H?
what is this referencing?
Huh? I just think people who get caught saying things should be able to let their daddy bail them out and mentor them through their mistakes? Don’t you?
Oh no… You’re saying that as a respected watchmaker, one’s couldn’t have a life or having a personality? So are they an AI now?
If it was racist why not expose him?
Him saying a racist thing to someone in person = 1 or a few people might get hurt. Repeating a racist thing he said to 10k+ people = a lot of people might get hurt.
Fingers crossed Jorne prices tank. I missed an opportunity for a CB back in 2017. I got cold feet about such a big buy while still in college. The boutique called and said my order was ready and I regrettably cancelled.
Been trying to find out what Journe said, Hodinkee has been covering him like it’s their job, maybe it is 🤔
The guy behind FP is a racist? Isn’t the guy behind every company a racist?! It’s all rich White Europeans. Of course they’re racist. The guy buying a $250k watch is also a piece of shit. Impossible to gain that much wealth and not be.
Oh! Hey Karl Marx!! 😂
Yes, only rich, white, Europeans can be racist. Get real. This isn’t the forum to be virtue signaling about your Marxist ideology. Lots of good people buy high quality watches.
Show me where I said only. You’re making shit up. That doesn’t make me a Marxist