Like what? I didn’t know they were this good, the definition even with crappy aac is super good and you can hear every single instrument clearly, I knew people said they were good but I’m surprised apple cared so much about sound quality
Yeah they’re pretty nice. The portability of TWS are also fantastic, I just slide them into my pocket if I don’t want to wear them anymore, transparency mode is better than the XM4’s. Albeit a small step down regarding ANC, since the WF-1000XM4’s have thicker eartips that do better for passive noise isolation. The APP2 also have slight better bass kick, at the expense of treble definition and midrange smoothness that the XM4’s have.
The design of the APP2 are also better IMO, easier to handle as there are more places to grip them. The WF-1000XM4’s are slippery everywhere else.
As for phone calls, APP2’s do better.
I don’t think I can go back to wired, no more snagging my wires on anything as I walk around, these were a huge pain (literally) when I was using my ER4XR’s on the go.
I mean there are lots of better earphones, but they are all less comfortable. That makes the airpods really great. They just feel so light in you ear.
I was very confused on my first day, because i thought they would fall out.
AAC is far from crappy, welcome to reality. The xm4s simply don’t sound that great, I don’t care what codec or stupid marketing Sony comes out with.
The xm4s simply don’t sound that great, I don’t care what codec or stupid marketing Sony comes out with.
100% agree. I have them for the convenience of wireless and ANC, but when I want to have a serious listening session, I go with a different set.
Yeah it’s more about the tuning, even sbc has come a long way. I think bt 5.0 made a big upgrade for aac and sbc.
aac is really underestimated since the commercial propaganda for aptx and LDAC, still aptx I want because it removes latency but sincerely… LDAC, on headphones with the audio driver literally costs 20 bucks to manufacture… yes I’m talking about those of the Sony xm5/xm4 and airpods pro 2… they sound good, yes, very good even, wired the equivalent would be around 100 euros, I had an xm4 but the same thing they died, I tried not long ago the sound of the AirPods Pro 2 which is similar after equalization, but I took the Buds2 Pro because I have a Z Fold 5…honestly the sound of the 3 is identical after equalization, but I assure you that the difference between Mp3/aac and uncompressed, it can only be heard on my very very expensive hi-fi headphones :') eand again if your bag is very very well mixed with my eyes closed I can sometimes make a mistake
Yeah they are pretty good, I just wish it had better separation with busy music….also a bit more midbass. They are fantastic for asmr and general content consumption, i connect them to my tv a lot.
AAC on Android is crappy, but on iPhone? Hell naw! It becomes one of the best codecs available for BT transmission.
XM4s sound surprisingly good, particularly if you’re using them as your portable quiet room in the middle of a noisy environment. They have outstanding ANC.
But there are tradeoffs to everything, including ANC. I’ve owned the XM3s, XM4s, the WH-1000MX4s and the WH-1000XM5s. For the typical use case, they’re quite enjoyable - for awhile. Listen to them long enough and you may realize how congested they are. The elevated bass doesn’t help. For many listeners, that thumpy bass is the selling point. If you’ve discovered you can’t live with it, that’s a sign you have discriminating tastes.
and you can get the same sound for 70-80$ with wired iems
And you can get none of the convenience for $70-80 with wired IEMs
People consistently making this apples to orange comparison is the dumbest thing.
Do you also point out you can drive faster in a 2 door sports car than you can a giant SUB? Probably would be a dumb comparison to make wouldn’t it?
True, I’ve had my fair share of wired iems but they are wired xd
I would rather not listen to music at all than work out with wired headphones again
I have KZ As16 Pro and I still think Airpods Pro 2 beat them in some areas… I guess I should invest more than 100$ in Iems to beat the Pro 2s completly
IEMs are the most uncomfortable pieces of audio equipment
I find them significantly more comfortable than any other type of headphones
But then you are using wired iems with no anc.
even with crappy aac
The importance of the codec is vastly, vastly overrated. It’s just a marketing thing.
Frequency response is what matters.
Exactly. Too many bois here will say headphones sound better just because they’re louder
Apple hate mindset is unreal
I had APP ver. 1 and then got ver. 2. It is incredible how much better Apple made the ver. 2. It is a surprisingly good Bluetooth tws.
Yep.
If the Max 2 (if/when) that happens takes a similar leap things are gonna get really interesting
We can dream. Cause that’s what it’s gonna take to get me off Bathys. APP2s are class leading and my daily driver. The APM2 will need to beat Bathys.
The Celestee is my main headphone (APP2 as the convenient daily) so I’ve been very curious to try the Bathys, also love the aesthetics on the sand/brown model, hopefully I’ll get to try them one day.
My main headphone rig consists of the closed back Stellias driven by a Bryston BHA-1 with a BDA-2 & a Bluesound Node as DAC and Source. I love the setup! Coming from sennheiser misc HD Models up to the 800s. The Stellias were better in all but open wide soundstage Where it was still close. I also have a pair of Clear Mgs open back. If you love the Celestee, I can almost guarantee you’ll love the Bathys. Very recognizable family signature and satisfies my audiophile tastes like no other. Would love to give the H95s, 5909 and T&A Solitaire a good audition as the 3 most expensive BT options. They are way outside of my budget considerations so it’s just as well. As mentioned I’m really hoping Apple fixes the APM failures to match or exceed the Bathys. I love how Apple products work together and we are a Apple household.
Xm4 (the wf one) is quite good but airpods pro is one of the few greatest TWSes you can get along with Samsung Buds Pro.
My Galaxy buds pro I find fatiguing after not too long given the treble, thinking of moving to the AirPod pro 2 for this very reason
Tried all of the Samsung tws buds until I decided to try the OnePlus buds 2 pro and they have been incredible, I would like to try the Apple AirPods Pro as well though as an area where the op2 are lacking is in noise cancellation
Yes I’ve heard great things about those.
Yeah, I don’t use them for long periods, just on the commute to work in the mornings.
The WF XM4 sound fine but the battery issues are a complete deal breaker. Even the xm5 seems to be presenting with the same problem
I have a pair of xm4s that I use in my woodshop when I’m running loud machines.
Because I can’t hear how terrible they sound in there.
I had a pair of sennies IE300 and now the first gern timeless. Does anyone know how the apple pros compare to these? I only heard their first wireless buds some years ago and I was like… Meehhh :)
They are nowhere as detailed as the Timeless. That said, it’s a very pleasant DD sound that you can hear for hours, the Timeless can get just a tad bit too bright in some tracks, imo. The AP Pro 2 have an improved sound, specially the bass when compared to Gen 1, both of these are on a different league compared to original AP.
I had the exact same feeling. Was debating upgrading to the xm5s but was really impressed when I tried the APP2s