• fender_symphonic584@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    “falling inflation” means prices are still rising…the rate of increase is what has decreased. What we need is negative inflation…or said differently, price decrease.

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      1 year ago

      You don’t actually want that. It encourages people to “invest” by sticking hard cash in a mattress. It rewards people for doing absolutely nothing but taking money out of the economy.

      Ideal (if we’re keeping a monetary exchange society, anyway) is low (<3%), predictable inflation combined with wages increasing in proportion to productivity. We had a period of relatively low inflation followed by a giant spike, plus wage gains that are nowhere near matching productivity gains over the last 50 years, and that’s where things hurt. Capitalism doesn’t seem capable of this, however, as it’s always chasing the next hype cycle that leads to these spikes and lulls.

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        1 year ago

        As opposed to what we have going on right now, which is to punish working class people so ruling class people can still have prosperity.

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      1 year ago

      What you are describing is deflation and it’s only happened twice during the history of the United States. It is also generally looked at as a bad thing.

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        1 year ago

        Is inflation generally looked at as a good thing or a bad thing? Ive only ever heard people complain about inflation.

        If they are both bad things im willing to give the bad thing that improves my life a try over the bad thing that makes everything more expensive.

        Granted i have nothing so im probably on the side of things that is least effected by the bad side of deflation.

        If i can spend more money on the things i want to, it will absolutely help small local businesses near me

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          A small amount of inflation is healthy. You REALLY want to avoid deflation, because that means the value of your money is increasing. If people know their money will be worth more in the future, they won’t spend it, incentivized to save and sit on it. That means on average everyone spends less, slowing the economy down and starting into a recession/depression.

          Gonna slap this with the good old “I am not an economist” disclaimer, juat what I remember from economics class in high school

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            Only problem that right now people also may decide against buying because they can’t afford it. Also, I’m not sure world is producing goods at a healthy rate either, more like we’ve got a bit of an overproduction

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              Yeah, obviously wages SHOULD be keeping up with inflation and inflation should be a low, stable amount. That’s the problem, not inflation in general.

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            What you learned in high school puts you miles ahead of 99% of these comments

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              People still have to spend money, hoarding wealth makes no sense if you can’t eat and pay for services and utilities.

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                The idea is that deflation affects the investor class. Assuming a “healthy” 3% inflation rate, the value of your savings decreases by 3% per year. That means you lose money if you can’t invest in something earning more than 3%. Traditionally interest rates have been around 0%, which means bonds and savings accounts also pay 0%. So, your only options to not lose the value of your savings is to invest in the stock market, risky businesses, or real estate.

                As a middle class person that means that it mostly affects my 401k, but for millionaires and billionaires, deflation means that they would sit on their hoard instead of investing it. Traditionally that means no funding for new businesses, inventions and ideas, and that’s also why the investor class pays much lower taxes than the working classes.

                But nowadays “investment” seems to mostly be buying good companies and enshitifying them or bribing politicians, so maybe it would be better if we encouraged the rich to sit on their money instead of using it to make society worse.