• Greasy_Boglim@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Is this Ten Hag’s excuse for some of his players and club staff that seem incapable of healthy relationships with women and treating them like actual human beings?

  • Meth_Hardy@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    I agree with him 100%. It’s why most of the big clubs have bigger squads and players with some good versatility, so help cover multiple positions and allow others to rest. It’s hard on the smaller teams and those with less back up options in their squads. Brighton especially seem to be decimated with injuries whilst also having to factor in a European schedule.

    • Tpickarddev@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Newcastle had 10 squad members (and Elliot Anderson who’s u21 but a key squad member) out against Chelsea, we’ve got 2 games a week till Xmas.

      Even with a decent 25 man squad we’re at bare bones, we named 4 keepers and mostly kids on our bench, and started a 17y/o…

      There’s tough schedules and there’s ridiculous schedules. Next year’s changes to the champions league will add another burden for most clubs competing in that.

      And then the double side of that is if you lose European football you can’t afford to expand your squad to much or have tonnes of players in a non Euro season who just won’t get enough football, so aside from teams who can stay in the top 3 regularly to build a massive squad, it just becomes a massive gamble on injuries.

    • Modnal@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Yeah, if this keeps up it’s gonna become really important to have a versatile squad and bench. Having players who can only play one position is gonna be a luxury

        • AnnieIWillKnow@alien.topB
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          11 months ago

          Emma Hayes has been building her Chelsea Women squad in this mould for years too. So many versatile players. Genuinely at least half of the squad can play at least three different positions.

          Erin Cuthbert is her dream. Has played wing back on both flanks, defensive midfield, box-to-box, attacking midfield, both wings.

          A lot is made of CFCW’s depth in terms of numbers, but it’s the versatility that is key - and Hayes has built it that way.

        • ewankenobi@alien.topB
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          1 year ago

          Claudio Ranieri was first manager I remember who really started rotating players in the Premiership. The British press nicknamed him the tinkerman because of it

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          11 months ago

          I remember pundits completely losing it back then lol

          “It’s disrespectful!” :D

          Managers occasionally used to complain about CL clubs resting players and fielding weakened sides against their opposition.

          The same managers then started resting their best players against Mourinho’s Chelsea to preserve their strength for matches they had a chance of winning, and everyone just kind of accepted that rotation is what we do now.

          • kondiar0nk@alien.topB
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            1 year ago

            Mostly because refs back then were totally cool with allowing teams to just kick them off the park

    • Democracy_Coma@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Europa has always been difficult for teams to handle. You often saw teams qualify and then next season be battling relegation. This isn’t a new phenomenon.

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        1 year ago

        The thing is that the top teams in most leagues are rather stable and can plan on playing international football (and reaping the corresponding revenue and prize money) every season, so that they can afford to build large squads geared toward playing in 3/4 competitions. On the #6 or #7 spots, there is typically far higher volatility from year to year, so these clubs neither have the large squad, nor can they build one based on a one-off participation in international competition.

      • Emma-Royds@alien.topB
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        1 year ago

        We had 4 different competitions AND a winter World Cup AND a messed up schedule due to the queen’s death last season, it was fucking absurd watching us playing every 3 days

    • TechTuna1200@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      The bigger clubs usually had more matches. But with addition of conference league, the smaller clubs are beginning to feel the same pain

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        11 months ago

        There’s always been 7-8 slots in Europe, and smaller clubs have always struggled with it. Stoke, Swansea, West Ham basically threw a qualifier one year to avoid it.

      • Iordbendtner@alien.topB
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        1 year ago

        Oh yeah thats a good point. Here in the eredivisie, with recent coefficient points we have and the conference league, 8th place will already play europa games. Thats the half of the league where it used to be (on the top of my head) first champipns league play offs and second europa league play offs

    • Altruistic_Finger669@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      It really hurts smaller teams.

      We have so many out injured and we just dont have any depth to cover it up. We had 3 players on the bench yesterday that arent supposed to be close to the first team yet.

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      1 year ago

      That’s why I’m so grateful for Darmian. Without him we’d have been in the mud last year and even this year with Pavard going down and also Dumfries having no backup

  • kondiar0nk@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    I think this is one way managers such as Pep, Arteta & even Klopp partially have been ahead of the curve, by building squads where a single player can play multiple positions. This allows better coverage of injuries and better rotation. Still not sufficient but assuages the effect somewhat.

    Manchester United have been too focussed on putting all the eggs into one basket with huge $$$ signings since Pogba and ETH is partially at fault, buying players like Mount who can just play in one position (which is already, more or less, taken by Fernandes) and average dosh like Anthony.

  • Eleven918@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Increase squad size and limit how many games a player can play in a year.

    Of course the “obvious” solution is to reduce games played but that will put a dent in the organizer’s pocket so it’s never happening.

    • solidwobble@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      What do you think of mandating a minimum number of minutes for academy players/season, to take pressure off big players. Something like 2000-3000 minutes (i.e 20-30 games worth, to be split between as many academy players as need be). Also incentivizes clubs bring youth through

      • Eleven918@alien.topB
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        1 year ago

        Interesting idea but how would you account for academies that don’t have players at a decent level enough for top tier football, prevent burnout of that one top prospect etc?

        Also for clubs that get promoted, they are already facing an uphill battle to avoid relegation.

        If they are forced to play youth too, that will make things all the more harder since the bigger clubs will just sign the promising players.

        The number of games issue is primarily for clubs in the CL, EL, ECL.

        • solidwobble@alien.topB
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          1 year ago

          Could just mandate it for teams playing in 4 competitions, or require them to play 2000 minutes and everyone else to play 1000

    • Demokrit_44@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Increasing squad size and limiting games per player is massively favouring financially wealthy clubs and clubs that are struggling will get absolutely shafted by this.

      That would be even worse than continuing with the current way.

    • inflamesburn@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      reduce games played but that will put a dent in the organizer’s pocket so it’s never happening.

      People always ignore that the players won’t accept dropping their wages either. It’s just

  • sheffield199@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Manager who doesn’t rotate his first XI when he has the option to is surprised when players get injured.

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    1 year ago

    That’s why the big clubs invest in good substitute players as they need to be rotated. I may get it wrong, but it seems like he is trying to make excuses by blaming the schedule instead of his coaching skill.

    • Purple_State7994@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Nothing shows the bias of this sub than when a united player/manager says the exact same thing as Liverpool/city/Chelsea.

    • ScouselandBlue@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      “Just buy more players” is an absolutely terrible take on an issue pretty much everyone agrees is a problem

  • Thingisby@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    The injuries are mad this season.

    It’s not just the amount of matches but also the stop start nature of VAR and playing 50-55 minute halves mean it’s becoming a joke.

    Every team seems to be having an injury crisis. Limping across the line to the next international break.

  • GaryHippo@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Increasing squad size is the way. The governing bodies love money too much to play less games so having more players could go some way to alleviating the stress on players’ bodies.

    • PureArmadillo1730@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Reducing number of games is the way. Bigger squads will only help the big clubs, whilst the likes of Brighton, Villa and West Ham (or any other team that gets European football) will not be able to keep up with the spend

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    1 year ago

    Agreed. It’s already started to cross the limit of what a referee can handle. That bunda referee tore his ACL yesterday.

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    11 months ago

    Was this stretch from August to December different in 2013, 2003, 1993? Up until this point of the season, I’m failing to see what “extra” games there are.

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    1 year ago

    Faster pace and very high press too. Work rate to this gen player is insane.

  • Pokefreaker-san@alien.topB
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    11 months ago

    it will reach to a certain point where clubs will purposely throw in the small cup and it turns into which team wanted to lose more.