RemindMe! 5 years “Repost for easy karma”
Most accurate prediction in that thread
Browns will screw up either the 1 or the 4. Whichever is not screwed up will be a pro-bowler - which will leave the fanbase exactly where it has been for the last 40 years.
They didn’t quite screw up the pick itself, but they did screw up with Mayfield. Ward is a pro-bowler. The browns are still the browns. Not bad!
I had honestly forgotten how bad the Chiefs’ 2018 class was. Holy crap. Derrick Nnadi is the only guy left.
I’m surprised how many people knew harold landry would be good. if it wasn’t for the acl, I feel like landry could easily be a 3x pro bowler by now.
“Next QB drafted after the Jets will become a hall of famer”
“Josh Allen will develop into the next Jay Cutler”
Which one will it be?
We should do this after the draft. Most of the comments are predicting how the draft will go instead of how players careers will go.
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6 yr. ago
Browns will screw up either the 1 or the 4. Whichever is not screwed up will be a pro-bowler - which will leave the fanbase exactly where it has been for the last 40 years.
1 Cleveland Browns Baker Mayfield QB Oklahoma
4 Cleveland Browns Denzel Ward CB Ohio State
Mayfield: 0x Pro Bowl
Ward: 2x Pro Bowl
Both of them got screwed at first. Denzel just stuck around long enough that he could finally blossom into the Warden of the North that he is.
I think Bake will be all one of the big all-time what ifs. If he had been on a functional team and had proper development as an NFL quarterback, he could be in a very different place now. It’s also possible that he can still be a late bloomer, he still has flashes of brilliance.
It’s not fair to say Mayfield was a bad pick, but the Browns definitely screwed him up.
I’m gonna stand by the fact that Allen or Lamar would’ve been ruined by us. They both went to teams that had far more competent coaching and roster building.
The Bills put Josh Allen into a massively shit situation when they drafted him. It was probably the most talent devoid offense an NFL team has put out.
He had no oline and no skilled players.
On the line were two starting linemen that were out of the league the next year including the center, two of the others lasted another 1-2 yrs as backups and the best player on the line was a rookie Dawkins.
At skilled positions, Kelvin Benjamin was his first option and he was out of the league after the season along with basically every other receiver. They had Zay Jones too but he was a mess and had a manic Spice/PCP incident around his rookie year and they ended up getting rid of him 2.5 years into his tenure. And 30yr old Shady had completely fallen off that year
Baker was given adequate talent around him so I don’t think the Browns did more than the Bills in terms of roster building specifically offensively. Defensively is a different story.
And coaching never interfered too much with Allen’s development. Allen accredits most of his development on private coaching in the offseason with Jordan Palmer and a biomechanics lab
I think Lamar would have probably been wasted anywhere else or at least most places outside of Baltimore. They took a huge gamble in building the offense around a running QB and hoped his passing developed and it did. They went all in and I think few teams would do that.
Andy Reid is just about the only other coach I would trust, to not fuck it up.
That 2020 season was wild for them. 11-5 and 3rd in the division
Sam Darnold is definitely a bust thus far.
That comment about Vita Vea being on a bad team while he gets into the hall of fame would’ve been dead on if not for Brady doing the unthinkable and going to Tampa
I mean it was correct until then, and is probably going to continue being correct now that he’s gone.
I’m just glad we got one.
Goated move too he was clutch during their playoff run to the Super Bowl
he came back off of injury for the playoffs and just fucking would not stop running. a man that big with fresh legs in the playoffs? he was nasty
u/technoviking94 well. Did the remind me work?
Top comment: Next qb taken after the jets will be a HOFer
The jets picked Sam Darnold. The next qb taken after him was Josh Allen. That aged well
Some of these takes on darnold vs Jackson or Allen are great.
I think rosen backs his talk up and walks the walk.
Yoink.
I had to google who Josh Rosen is. I have somehow blacked his existence out of my mind.
So have his parents
These predictions are basically why tanking is a bad strategy
Ownership and management might want to tank, but players’ careers are too short for them to tank
Nah, I hope the Jets tank for the Darnold of every draft.
Or you know trading the farm to move up.
Tanking for a near lock player like Andrew Luck isn’t too bad.
But tanking any given year just for the top pick isn’t the best strat
As always, depends. The Jags out-tanked the Jets for the 2021 draft, and the “surefire” consensus #1 pick of Trevor Lawrence has lived up to be very solid.
If a team tanks, I think they need to get a franchise altering player with that pick.
Jury is still out on Lawrence. But it’s promising.
Jury still out on Travon Walker, and not looking great so far.
Too soon for Bryce Young.
Of the other 21 first overall picks of the 2000’s, I think these guys were franchise altering (in a good way).
Michael Vick (though derailed off field)
Carson Palmer (slightly derailed by injury and then contract dispute, but overall I think worthy of #1)
Eli Manning
Jake Long
Matthew Stafford
Cam Newton
Andrew Luck
Jared Goff (I guess.)
Myles Garrett
Joe Burrow
So that’s 8 out of 21 that would have been worthy of tanking for. And I’m being generous on a couple.
Tanking is definitely worth trying. I don’t get why people say it doesn’t work. You have to have some top end picks somewhere on the roster to succeed.
It depends on how one tanks. If you’re shipping off guys in their 20s to do it, it’s probably not good. Look at the Panthers shipping away CMC and DJ Moore. If your team naturally sucks and it’s late in the season then it’s different.
It’s easy to forget that Lawrence had been annoited the #1 pick his freshman year. When you talk about best prospects of all time the list is Elway, Manning, Luck, Lawrence. The real surprising part is that the next 4 1st rd QB’s will all be backups next year
Very solid, I just can’t stand the fucking pre-draft hype.
People were talking about TLaw like he was football jesus and called him a generational talent and the league was fucked and Brady should go ahead and retire because the true GOAT was here.
It was so fucking annoying. Dude played in the fucking ACC, lets calm down.
They tried their hardest to fuck it up by hiring Urban Meyer, though.
I mean, you also get the top pick in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, rounds, etc.
Every pick is basically a lottery scratch off, but at least with a high pick you get more choices on the menu.
Tanking works far less well in the NFL because of the relatively low number of viable NFL prospects and the random nature of injuries.
I’m not convinced tanking works all that well in the MLB either, but that’s a different story.
Teams with bad players are not fixed with one potentially decent player, news at 11, see also: Browns, Cleveland
Watching the Patriots sub want to lose every game and posting draft order updates and mock drafts starting in like week 4 has been insane.
We don’t know what the draft order will be. If we did, we don’t know who we’d pick. If we did, we don’t know if he’d be any good at all.
If we end up picking first or second, I’d much rather we find someone who wants to trade up and overpay for the pick. Get ~3 shots at impact players instead of putting all our eggs in one basket.
I’m not gonna say tanking is a good or bad strategy nor that teams are always particularly effective at talent evaluation but you cannot compare an NFL teams scouting department to some schlubs posting on this forum lol
I believe that shitty teams are to blame mostly for draft busts. If they were good at developing talent, they wouldn’t be a shitty team.
I was pretty pissed we won a game against the Stafford-less Lions to potentially miss out on Chase Young.
The Jets could a picked Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. That’s crazy.