• marcos@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    7 days ago

    What exactly defines you as “you”?

    Why do you say it’s a suicide if you never saw or felt anything, and you manage to say around somewhere afterwards?

    if we had those machines, people would just stop having this discussion.

    • Farid@startrek.website
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      7 days ago

      Because technically, it’s a scanner + printer and not a mover. It’s just that the original is deliberately destroyed every time (unless something goes wrong *looks at Miles*).

      IIRC, it’s even mentioned that people going through the transporter are cached. Like, they store snapshots, so you can compare the changes between older you and newer you. You can also store a person in buffer digitally, meaning you can copy and print as many as you want.

      • RamenJunkie@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        7 days ago

        They use that cache gimmick in Strange New Worlds a few times. One for a spoiler plot. But also in a flashback to the war they mention “storing” medical patients in the buffer because there are too many wounded and they can’t keep up.

      • marcos@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        7 days ago

        It’s just that the original is deliberately destroyed every time

        If it’s so fast that you don’t see it, it doesn’t happen.

        Again, if we had those machines, and they were reliable (unlike the Star Trek ones) everybody would use them, nobody would blink an eye. Nobody would have any answer to those philosophical questions, and close to nobody would spend their days thinking about them.

        • Farid@startrek.website
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          7 days ago

          I mean, just because it happens fast or in an unnoticeable way doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. If somebody vaporized themselves instantly it’s still suicide. Sure, people would probably accept the fact that their original is being killed for convenience, but the fact stays.

        • MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          7 days ago

          Just because that’s your viewpoint doesn’t mean that everyone will automatically think that way. There would probably be some that are averse to it and some that don’t care.

    • Skullgrid@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      7 days ago

      Why do you say it’s a suicide if you never saw or felt anything, and you manage to say around somewhere afterwards?

      Because you are killed, and society gets to keep running with a photocopy of you. From an external perspective, you move from a to b. From your perspective, you die.