Abortion has been on the ballot in seven states since June 2022. In each instance, anti-abortion groups have lost.
They didn’t overturn abortion, they overturned a right to privacy. Much more scary when you think of it like that
Are you claiming that they overturned the 4th amendment?
The 4th amendment has been effectively dead for a long time. I think the war on drugs killed it.
Not for all of us. I still refuse to answer any question on the census except how many people live there and I don’t help process servers.
Fair, but to say this is what did it is a bit dramatic. Ideally, the court shouldn’t be deciding these issues anyway and legislators should actually be doing their job.
Lol, 4th amendment strawman backfired huh
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Questioning a direct claim is a strawman argument now?
Are you questioning my direct claim rn?
You could’ve just said you didn’t know what you were talking about
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That’s actually a very good way to put it.
Look at some of the rules they’ve tried to pass. Checking on high school students’ mensuration, checking on people who leave the state for abortions, trating miscarriages as murder.
Don’t forget permission slips to have a nickname!
Are we not talking about the supreme court?
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Can wait till they get to the second amendment. Then all these guys will have their surprised Pikachu face on.
They’re going after the 1st and 5th next
Yeah, pretty much. Look at how stupid-state AGs are demanding women’s health records from sane states. https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/republican-state-ags-are-seeking-state-medical-records-rcna94935
Yeah that’s pretty trash. But that’s still a separate issue and not what SCOTUS ruled on
Good to see that they have.
I wish this was true but sadly it is not. Anti-choice candidates have continued to be elected and pass laws since June 2022.
I assume they’re only referring to when abortion was voted on by itself, not when it was a package deal with a politician (since pretty much all Republicans are gonna be anti-choice).
That’s because you’re a good read.
Because these sheep vote for a letter next to their name. But an issue on a ballot may be backed by them but it doesn’t have a letter itself, so people actually turn into individuals a bit more
Just happened in Ohio. If there were a candidate called “R-issue 1” he would have won with 53% of the vote. But since it was just “Issue 1” and it affected people, they struck it down 43-57 for-against
Anti-abortion advocates scored a big win on June 24, 2022, when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. But since then, their luck seems to have run out.
Abortion has been on the ballot in seven states since that landmark court decision one year ago and in each instance, in red states and blue states, anti-abortion advocates have lost.
In some instances, voters have approved state constitutional amendments protecting abortion rights. In others, they’ve rejected measures that would weaken protections or make explicit in the state constitution that abortion rights are not protected.
I hate that phrasing. Their “luck” didn’t run out. That does not describe what happened at all
Makes you wonder if the corporate elite class uses this issue (and other) just as a tool for control. Easy divide and move a population back and forth on hot push button topic. Meanwhile the top 1 percent… investment bank continue to hoard all wealth as we see it stripped away by inflation.
I will vote for a glib, anti union, pro corporate generic candidate because he / she “strongly” supports (or not) abortion.
Yes this is a cynical take and the abortion issue is important … just cannot shake the issue is in a continual cycle to keep people divided, distracted as they get poorer and work harder.
That’s been a big chunk of the political landscape. The Republicans and the Catholics are not natural bedfellows and campaigning on Abortion has been how they pulled a ton of them to the right. If the Republicans lose the Catholic vote, they will not win for 50 years, especially since they have been counting on Hispanic anti-abortion votes to cover what they lost on the white college educated elite in the long term.
It’s a shame that the SUPREME COURT is the highest court in the land.
That headline is like saying “Well our team scored the most 3-point shots” as if somehow that negates the fact that the final score is what determines who wins a game. People are trying to gloss over the fact that the SC determines the law of the land and they are simply trying to latch onto these smaller (and probably meaningless) victories because if anything gets challenged and ends up in front of the SC, it won’t win.
Not at all. The majority opinion in Dodd clearly states that the issue should be decided at the state level, so even if a case somehow did make it to the SC, they would almost certainly decline to hear it since the matter, as far as they’re concerned, is already settled. In that event the last ruling stands and cannot be further appealed.
they would almost certainly decline to hear it
I remember when Roe was “settled law”, too. They’ll hear whatever they want if it lets them achieve their political goals. Remember that at least one Justice (Thomas?) was on record basically asking for more abortion cases to get to the SC so they could decide on them. He got his wish.
That’s how it SHOULD work. But the SC has given up almost every shred of impartiality.
It’s a bit odd that there isn’t a legal mechanism to force a Supreme Court ruling.
The supreme court doesn’t make laws. Congress can protect abortion rights. Obviously elections determine the make up of Congress, but ultimately they determine who is on the supreme court too. If Trump weren’t elected, protections provided by RvW would have been secure for decades.
The supreme court doesn’t make laws.
With their overturning Roe, completely ignoring precedent and redefining “standing” to include hypothetical fantasies (ala, the Web ‘designer’ Lorie Smith who never was asked to create a LGBTQ+ wedding website, but “might have to someday”), they are indeed making laws.
SC determines if a law is constitutional and in today’s court, right wing tomfoolery is legal while everything else, no matter how sane and logical, can get struck down.
This was very obvious to many of us years back. As you said, if that clown Trump wasn’t elected this would have been all a non-issue for decades.
Abortion rights do great on ballot measures, but not as well in general elections.
Yeah, most people support abortion rights, but those who oppose them are the most powerful single-issue voting block in the country.
Pro-choice people rarely base 100% of their vote on abortion. A pro-choicer who holds conservative beliefs on other issues generally votes Republican, but will vote in favor of abortion rights on a ballot measure.
Pro-lifers are different. They sincerely believe that abortion is mass murder of children, and that all other political issues combined don’t matter in comparison. A pro-lifer who holds liberal views on every other issue generally votes Republican.
And yet they are inconsistent on companies that pollute air food and water. Somehow when corporations do it knowingly for the profit motive it’s God’s will despite causing miscarriages and birth defects en masse.
It’s not that all of them support these companies. It’s that they literally believe children are being murdered and that until they can permanently put a stop to the legal murder of children, no other political issues matter AT ALL. They’re the single-issue voting group that is really, truly single-issue, and they’re massive.
If Biden were anti-abortion due to his Catholicism while Trump was pro-choice, how many pro-choice Democrats would have voted for Trump? Almost none.
Meanwhile, millions of pro-lifer Republicans would have voted for Biden.
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So you think women should have no rights to their own bodies, eh?
doubt they thought that far.
If this keeps up, 2025 is going to be lit.
In what way?
I’m thinking the good if this keeps up is the Republicans will lose a lot of seats. Of course the bad is Dems will be in charge. So it balances out to being lit.
So why do libs have this mania for killing innocent babies?
Why does god? The vast preponderance of abortions happen in the same window as the vast preponderance of miscarriages, which can happen to 87 percent of fertilized embryos in the case of in vitro fertilization, and some other smaller but also shockingly high number for in vivo fertilization.
Also if you don’t want ‘innocent babies’ to be killed why have such a hard on against prophylactics and plan b, especially since it takes 24h for sperm and egg to actually merge DNA and form a new organism? Why have an issue with birth control or porn or premarital conjugation and why make it everyone else’s issue?
If women are getting abortions in the same period that God randomly gives miscarriages, I tend to think they are actually part of the same thing and that the feeling the prospective mother has about her future child being unwanted is just one final ‘God given’ protection against creating something broken.
Are you serious? Nobody, and I mean nobody, is promoting such a thing. It should be the woman’s right to decide though.
My own mother wouldn’t be here today if she hadn’t needed the unfortunate procedure for what would have been an extremely deformed sister of mine.
Let me ask you, is it your uterus? No? Then mind your own business and let women manage their own bodies as they see fit.
God, what a garbage take.
Why do people with your mindset have to think you own women?
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Except that states have no fucking business telling someone what they can do with their body. “State’s rights” my ass! This is a “personal right”that was stolen.
Because several ass-backward states then took advantage of the fact that the right to undergo an abortion was no longer protected under Constitutional law and passed legislation that stripped away reproductive rights from their citizens.
Just because the SC didn’t ban abortion itself, doesn’t mean that it wasn’t the effective result for millions of Americans.
It’s not a state rights issue, it’s a human rights issue and the SCOTUS was protecting the people of the US from the States until the court overturned Roe v Wade
States do not have unrestricted rights and cannot negate human rights.
Because the idea of states of the same federation being allowed to decide such fundamental issues on their own feels patently absurd to an outside observer. This isn’t the 1400s any more, do something remotely modern or fully separate and split into 51 countries and do your own shit.
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Yeah, except that’s not correct
Lol. State’s rights like slavery. I knew someone who said the same thing about slavery and why it was/is still a right.
Because In many state you are beholden to large swaths of Rural land and the representatives they send to the statehouse. Those reps can be swayed (bought). Lucky for Ohio they were able to use their constitution to protect themselves. Ballot initiatives can give the people a voice on pressing matters… As in Ohio, The Reps were trying to take away the voice of the majority of the state voters. They lost and I expect they will brought to heel by the will of the people of Ohio in November. State constitutions are a check against legislative power. No wonder the R’s don’t like that. They want to rule, not represent.
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I’ve seen this argument elsewhere and it seems (pardon me) like patent horseshit.
Why is this a state’s right? What makes a uterus in Delaware different than an uterus in Nebraska? I’m a woman and an American citizen. Everyone keeps telling me that I live in a first-world nation. This makes no sense. “Oh sorry. You live in a first world nation, but you picked the neighborhood of Ohio.”
And let’s be realistic - I can afford to travel to anywhere that local, precious state laws where I live are irrelevant.
The idea of state autonomy made sense in some way in the America that existed before telephones. Emergency decisions might need to be made and horses are slow. But let’s be honest for just a moment. The whole idea of federation was a hard sell to the slave states and invested powers. These were a mixture of landowners and merchant classes who had been running things locally in their colonies. They didn’t want to give up control, and who could blame them? Meanwhile, the young country needed to have everyone on board for some sort of federation if post-colonial America was going to survive. States rights were a compromise. We’ve been choking on it for 200+ years.
As a country we should have evolved past this many years ago. But we haven’t. The biggest disruption to our American system was the Civil War. States rights again. Yeah, so we have that to look back upon but never really seem to reckon with it. The last time I heard anyone significantly whine about infringement of “states rights” was with regard to chattel slavery.
Why is everyone worried about giving power to fascist Florida and Texas? It only takes two or three brain cells to figure it out.
You really think Texas and Florida deserved the power they already had?
States aren’t people and they shouldn’t have rights.
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Just out here making things up. Regulating federalism is now and always has been an open question with differing opinions.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt10-1/ALDE_00013619/
“The Supreme Court’s jurisprudence on these questions has not followed a straight line. At times, the Court has stated that the Tenth Amendment lacks substantive constitutional content and does not operate as a limitation upon the powers, express or implied, delegated to the national government. At other times, the Court has found affirmative federalism limitations in the Amendment, invalidating federal statutes not because Congress lacked legislative authority over the subject matter, but because those statutes violated the principles of federalism contained in the Tenth Amendment”
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lol you think I give a shit about your magic scroll?
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The founders were day-drunk alcoholics that wrote the Constitution while blitzed because beer was the only source of clean drinking water. They didn’t bathe because they believed washing off the dirt and sweat and oils would let in “bad airs” and make them sick.
The fact that we pretend like their magic scroll is a good system of government is a joke.
