These TVs can capture and identify 7,200 images per hour, or approximately two every second. The data is then used for content recommendations and ad targeting, which is a huge business; advertisers spent an estimated $18.6 billion on smart TV ads in 2022, according to market research firm eMarketer.
Obviously
Honestly the least I’d expect of a smart TV.
… but it isn’t able to tell anyone, as it is not connected to the Internet. Poor smart TV.
If there are any unsecured networks in your vicinity it might be telling on you without you knowing.
Pull one of your old routers from the back of closet, and use it to make a completely new network just for your TV. If you don’t connect the router to the rest of the internet, your TV is happy to connect to something, and you get to keep your privacy a little bit longer.
Not everyone has an old router. I do, but not everyone.
Why do I keep an old router?
If you have a nice enough router you could connect your TV to it and block its Mac address maybe.
Or maybe configure the firewall to block/allow only very specific things. It’s a bit more technical than just plugging in an Ethernet cable though…
Cause it still works, doesn’t take up much space, and doesn’t really eat a whole lot just siting there.
Also, 2 is one, 1 is none. Good to have a fall back in case hardware dies
This is the way.
I’m a little surprised we haven’t heard about one of these smart TV brands using something like Amazon Sidewalk yet to communicate the analyzed data:
https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk/
A popular brand could totally set up their own network like this and with apartments there would probably be sufficient density to ensure that there’s always at least one connected device nearby to act as a bridge.
Well that’s pretty terrifying.
Need to figure out how to block that now. Sigh
Faraday cage.
Open it up and desolder the wifi module/antenna
Any evidence of that or are you just speculating?
Pure speculation.
I don’t think so. The first step when connecting to WiFi is to agree to the terms of service that allow the manufacturer to legallly spy on you. Without agreeing to that, they’d be breaking the law.
I’m too skeptical to default to the whole “corporations will abide by the law” thing anymore. I’m willing to accept that I might be wrong though. There have just been too many times where I’ve pessimistically remarked on a situation like this as a sort of half joke only to find out that I was right and it was actually worse than I initially assumed.
My two smart TV’s are the most blocked devices by my network’s pihole. It’s not even close.
The first two are my two TVs, (one is a Samsung, the other is a Roku,) and the third is my phone that I’ve been doomscrolling on all day. The “better” TV has almost 3x as many blocked requests as my phone, even though I only used my TV for about an hour today.
yeah lol, no real need to obfuscate those ip fyi
I tried using free tier NextDNS on a network with 2 Samsung TVs hooked up and hit the threshold of 300k requests within a week. It’s mad how much data Samsung is collecting from their smart devices. Even when not using any features, the TV may stay with a screensaver and still send lots of data.
I’m pretty sure my Android TV powered by Google™ knows more than what I’m watching. It could probably give me therapy if I threw a LLM on there.
Good to know I’m not paranoid enough tho.
Yep.
I got a Fire Stick early on, ditched it after a year.
Have a Samsung smart TV now, working to stop using the smart part and run more self hosted, and isolate apps like Netflix and Amazon.
Worst part about this is I have an OLED, if I use a different device for features I risk burn. Netflix on the tv will show a screensaver and go black after 2 minutes. Pressing pause on Netflix on the ps5 or appletv means you get a static screen until you return.
I wish we could get what we pay for and not be products ourselves.
You could always turn the screen off
I have my old (stupid) tv from like 2013, works perfectly fine. No apps, no firmware, no ads, no tracking. Never felt the need to buy a smart tv, but I’m afraid it’d be near impossible to find a new one that isn’t nowadays I’d mine broke down.
This is the only reason I have a smart TV. I didn’t want one, in fact it prompted me to make an SSID and VLAN just for it, then applied a bunch of DNS blocks. Unfortunately my old 2012 TV wasn’t worth shipping across the country and the image was getting pretty dim and it had started developing dead pixels.
If you want anything above 1080p that’s a dumb TV you have to go commercial like the hospitality market and they charge you way more for it. And they won’t even sell it to you without a corporate account in most places.
The only way to get 4K and HDR without the smarts as a consumer is to buy a giant gaming monitor… and those too ask for quite a premium, because gamers.
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Yeah but they do still end up pretty expensive. I was able to score a black friday 65" 4K HDR 1000 nits 120 Hz FreeSync TV with local dimming for $700. Not the best but given I don’t use it that often or for very long I didn’t want it to turn into a big investment.
I’m sure it’s pretty average but for my use case it worked out pretty good.
Yeah, I’m waiting for the death of my current TV. A LG that’s plain old LCD, but HDR and 4k, no smart shit. Luckily I know hardware and can physically disable things. I break and remove things so hardware is physically incapable of connecting.
Good. Have fun uploading any information about me without wifi or an ethernet cable. Smart TVs were a mistake, even the most expensive ones are slow and trash.
Yeah, I needed some 70" for work displays had to spend like hell to go top of the line to get half assed quad cores.
Couldn’t you use a raspberry pi or something? My point was that a $50 android tv box beats the absolute top TVs both in terms of speed and compatibility with apps.
I dont need them for the smart, I need their menus to be consistently fast for automation. Response time for input changes, menus disappearing timely after boot.
When we buy $300 50" ‘specials’ and I start pumping IR at them for timed remote automation they always get hung up and start missing steps.
“Are you watching the TV, or is the TV watching you?”
laughs in crtv and dvd player
It’ll never tell anyone because it’ll never be hooked up to the internet.
I really likr the last few firmware updates that my TV received. But apart from checking for updates every few months, I agree that keeping it blocked in my router settings is ideal.
Doesn’t that kind of beat the purpose? The device can just store telemetric data and send them in batches whenever you connect it.
My Sony runs AndroidTV and uses NextDNS to block telemetry and the like. The features that I received with the last few updates enabled VRR, improved clarity and Dolby Vision, etc. So it was definitely worth it.
I had read a story once that if I recall correctly, one manufacturer would send the signal back thru the coax cable to the cable box just in case to make sure your data was captured somehow.
So… Can someone explain how this is legal if you’re watching DRM content? Capturing and uploading copyrighted, protected content doesn’t seem very kosher.
advertisers spent an estimated $18.6 billion on smart TV ads
Jesus. Spend a fraction of that developing good products that people will actually want to buy so you can end this unethical, scumbag way of making a buck.
My smart TV is blocked from the internet. It doesn’t know shit.
oh it knows. it just can’t tell anyone!
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God damn webp, why is support so inconsistent?
I am so glad I don’t have a TV. It’s just the Internet with even more ads, minus the Internet.
It doesn’t have to be. I get everything for free, no subscriptions, no ads. I’m pretty happy with the deal.
I leave the TV on all day for the cats, I’m sure they’re getting lots of useful data while they sleep in front of MASH reruns
Considering I don’t connect it to the internet I’d be surprised if it was doing anything.
It’s brute-forcing your neighbors’ WiFis
“I’m in”
- your TV after hacking the neighbors tv.
Joke aside, would that make it basically anonymous? Unless it’s actually sending screenshots, it will only tell “somebody around this IP is watching TV/Something from HDMI”
Would that make it basically anonymous?
Well, no. I think there is so much information in there, that the IP address is your least concern.
What personally identification information is there? Sure, they can know everything is from the same user/household, but they can’t know it’s you by name, email, phone, address… That’s what I mean by anonymous instead of private
I guess it is somewhat like paying in cash for your groceries: While anonymous, only you buy at this time of the day your favourite 3 food products, a cup of gluten-free instant ramen and a period product.
I would be concerned about this scenario:
- Company X has your TV data (but doesn’t know your name, etc)
- Company Y, Z, … know your name and have data on you.
- They buy/share/whatever data and intersect it. Now they can probably connect the data they have on you.
You joke… but isn’t that what Amazon Sidewalk was invented for? And isn’t it sort of what AirTags do? They don’t connect to the internet… they connect to partner devices in ways that are unseen by the owners to co-opt their internet access.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Samsung TVs without internet access are using nearby Samsung phones to connect to the internet. Or maybe they partner with the ISP to use those default guest wifi networks. If news broke tomorrow that this was already a thing, it wouldn’t surprise me at all.
