tlhIngan Hol vIghojtaH!

  • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    Fascinating that Duolingo tries to teach Navajo. The language is incredibly tonal and with sounds not native to most languages. I imagine it’s incredibly difficult to teach through an online service

    • Apathy Tree@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      9 months ago

      Idk how duolinguo works (at all), but if the app can play the sounds for you and judge on your pronunciation, that would be quite enough to do the job. If it can handle mandarin (idk if it can) than any tonal based language is fair game.

      I would think any decent speech to text could do a decent job determining pronunciation, if there isn’t a dedicated thing for that… either it registers or it gets garble and you try again.

  • Smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    I almost found a way to get university credit for learning Klingon. My downfall was that the Klingon Language Institute was not an “accredited” learning institution. I wonder if that’s changed yet…

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    9 months ago

    High Valerian also doesn’t have all the ingredients to become an actual language. All I did was translate words in sentences into the language for the show, but Klingon, it is an actual language and has been developed enough that you can call it a language

    • grue@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      Yeah, Klingon was deliberately designed to have object-verb-subject word order (among other unusual features) just to make it more alien.

      • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        9 months ago

        It had me pick Latin American or Castilian Spanish when I started using Duolingo, I couldn’t tell you exactly how accurate it was though.

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          9 months ago

          When was that? Last time I tried it was a couple of years ago.

          As for the difference, outside of Spain the conjugation of Vosotros (you, plural) isn’t used, but speaking to strangers is much more formal. Also, there’s a lot of vocabulary differences which can be confusing for non-native speakers.

          Good luck with your learning, it’s a great language :-)

          • Stoney_Logica1@lemmy.worldOP
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            9 months ago

            As somebody who doesn’t naively speak Latin American Spanish but was exposed to it a lot growing up, the “th” sound for some words with “c” (like “gracias”) in Castilian Spanish really disturbs me. It sounds like everybody has a lisp.

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              9 months ago

              It is a lisp, albeit on purpose … to further confuse things in parts of Spain with different languages the shared words don’t necessarily have that lisp!

          • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            9 months ago

            About two years ago for me as well, they might have rolled it out shortly after you tried or maybe I was part of some A/B testing or something. But the setting seems to be saved because I’m never given exercises with vosotros in them.

            ¡Gracias! Vivo en California, así que hay mucha gente para practicar hablando conmigo, pero estoy tímido y practico solo con Duolingo por ahora.

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              9 months ago

              Best thing would be to go to a Spanish speaking country for a holiday, once you’ve been forced to use it on strangers you’ll loose your language anxiety and it gets much easier (I live in Spain and work in Spanish, I’m not very good, but also no longer worried about muddling through).

  • Sagrotan@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Language learning apps work only to give you an overview over a language, to look if a language is worth learning. You really wanna learn? Search for someone who’s mother tongue it is in your vicinity and contact him. You’ll be surprised, how much fun that’ll be, your friendly Klingon in the neighborhood, crashing your door in at 3 a.m., hellish drunk, just to show you his new Gagh recipe, or you’ll find yourself as a slave in the fictional world of an obese old creep. Learning new languages is awesome, right?

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    9 months ago

    Anyone know a good place to learn Farsi (Persian). Duolingo doesn’t have it yet, if ever

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      9 months ago

      It’s a real shame duolingo doesn’t have Farsi (or none of the other apps I’m routinely using, for that matter). Let’s hope it becomes a thing sooner than later

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      9 months ago

      I used Mondly fully free a few years ago. It was good. I don’t know how it is now.

      I also used Anki flashcards.

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    9 months ago

    i wish they would spend more time fixing vietnamese instead of shit like this

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      9 months ago

      That’s what multiple genocides get you. A language rated as Vulnerable in UNESCO.

      Still, there are about 170,000 people who speak Navajo, with about 8000 who only speak Navajo.

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        9 months ago

        Also doesn’t help that Navajo is an INCREDIBLY divergent language compared to basically everything else, even other languages native to North America save those of related languages.

        It’s probably as close to a natlang ithkuil as linguistic science may have ever discovered, so acquiring it non-natively is A TON of work.

        Also I may be confusing it with another indigenous language but IIRC there are some Navajo nation communities in which teaching the language to outsiders is seen as a GRAVE offense.

        You can guess that the course on Duolingo isn’t exactly regarded as on par with their French and Spanish courses. That and their attempt at Hawaiian and the ensuant backlash over how bad both were are partially responsible for why Duolingo has yet to expand into a significant number of new languages.