• Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works
    35·
    3 days ago

    The Good Place. It starts off deceptively shallow but by the end it became one of my favorite shows of all time.

    Dark. The constant time travel makes it hard to keep track of what’s going on a lot of the time but if you can manage, it’s very rewarding. Great character development. Not the best ending, but good enough.

    Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad have some poorly written characters but the well-written ones are very well-written.

    I didn’t include any shows based on books because I felt that would go against the scope of your question.

  • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
    21·
    3 days ago

    I’ve been rewatching Community recently and it definitely fits the bill. It has incredibly good writing.

    But more than that, Community gives me the impression that is has an infinite budget. Not a ridiculously big budget like some shows and movies do… an infinite budget. The difference being that they don’t waste a cent. There isn’t a single thing on screen that doesn’t serve a purpose. No ridiculous effect or expensive crane shot added in just to flaunt their budget. But if an episode’s script actually called for a particular shot to be done, they would move heaven and earth to make that happen. That’s what it feels like.

    In my head I compare it to having unlimited vacation days at work. Case studies have shown that workers take fewer vacation days when they can take as many as they want, compared to when they have a set number per year. So in the analogy, a show with a set ludicrously high budget will use every last cent of it even for pointless frill, whereas a (hypothetical) show with an unlimited budget would only use however much money is necessary to create the show. Somehow, Community became that show. … It probably has to do with how frequently they actually went way over budget in practice.

    I fucking love Community.

    • FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world
      7·
      3 days ago

      Absolutely no comedy series comes close to being as in depth and well thought out as community was. Community is actually art for the ages.

    • Pronell@lemmy.world
      4·
      3 days ago

      Dan Harmon has said the producer did this magic for him. He would often telling Dan that, no, they were over budget when they weren’t, so he could then say yes to the best ideas, actors/cameos, etc.

      I’m a huge superfan. My ringtone is Professor Professorson’s.

  • Kenny2999@lemmy.world
    20·
    3 days ago

    House. I remember fuckall from the past 40 years of watching tv but that one show is etched in the feels.

  • shyguyblue@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    3 days ago

    Star Trek: Deep space nine

    Kira: From hot headed terrorist to level headed leader

    Nog: petty criminal to first of his kind in Starfleet

    • cymbal_king@lemmy.world
      3·
      3 days ago

      Agreed.

      There’s several examples of >2min speeches that hit super hard: Luthen’s “I need all the heros I can get”, Karis’ “random acts of rebellion”, the “one way out” speech, Mon Mothma’s final speech.

      There’s huge character growth and complexity for most of the main characters. Although I guess Syril never had much character growth, but that was kinda the point of his obsessive character. And they really showed how the rebellion grew from basically nothing

    • Almacca@aussie.zoneEnglish
      6·
      3 days ago

      Good show. Shame that it ended on a cliff-hanger and didn’t get renewed because Max Landis turned out to be a sex pest.

      There was a UK made adaptation starring Steven Mangan that’s pretty good as well.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        3 days ago

        No Douglas Addams story ever really ends…

        Whether you read to the end of the material or quit on a random page, you’re always just getting a small glance into a much larger world where nothing is self contained and everything is connected.

        Like, dude wrote a five book trilogy, it’s obviously not a normal story structure. Even more than Tolkein, his work is about the journey and not a destination.

        So yeah, would have loved for it to keep going. But an ending of “everyone keeps going on adventures” is the norm for Addams, I don’t think there’s ever a “happily ever after” and that’s kind of why his stories have always felt so real to me.

        Same with Heinlein and other early pulp scifi writers, it was a job even if it was a passion, you always left it open ended and you always left them wanting more. Because you might need to write a sequel for next month’s rent.

        • Almacca@aussie.zoneEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          True enough, although the sixth novel ‘And Another Thing…’ by Eoin Colfer was pretty disappointing. It was just silly for silliness sake, did not understand the characters at all, and the satire was non-existent. I even read it twice to see if I was missing something, but no, it’s just not a very good HHGTTG book.

          BTW, it’s Adams with one d.

    • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
      3·
      3 days ago

      Extremely loosely based. Like, almost no actual story similarities. They kind of adapted the premise, to a degree, but that’s about it.

      Still an enjoyable show, but not really representative of either Dirk Gently book. The books are really really good, if you like Adams’ writing. I had to stop at least once per page reading Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul to sit and appreciate a fantastic sentence.

  • hydrashok@sh.itjust.works
    10·
    3 days ago
    • Mister Roger’s Neighborhood
    • Twin Peaks
    • Frasier
    • Futurama
    • The Wire
    • NCIS S1 to like S5
    • Fringe
    • Peaky Blinders
    • Orphan Black
    • The Good Place
    • Severance
  • IWW4@lemmy.zip
    121·
    3 days ago
    • Band of Brothers
    • The Wire Seasons 1-4
    • Friday Night lights Seasons 1, 3 and 4
    • MASH
    • Star Trek the Next Generations the latter half of S3 and then seasons 4-6.
    • The West Wing Seasons 1-5
    • The Pitt
    • Task
    • Stranger Things
    • True Blood (for Characters only) The story writing is a mess at times, but the characters are a masterclass.
    • Travelers Seasons 1 and 2
    • NYPD Blue
    • Game of Thrones Seasons 1-3.
    • Get Smart
  • niktemadur@lemmy.world
    3·
    2 days ago

    I’m gonna go old school on you, remembering some of the pioneers from an age long past.

    In 70s comedy, there was MASH (deftly balancing war and humor), Barney Miller (like a gritty urban Sydney Lumet movie, turned into a sitcom) and Taxi (Danny Devito, Christopher Lloyd and Andy Kauffman, WTF?!!).

    In early-80s drama, there was Hill Street Blues (once again, like a gritty urban Sydney Lumet movie, turned into a brilliant ensemble cop drama) and St. Elsewhere (another ensemble, a Boston hospital drama with a good splash of magic realism, this is where Denzel Washington got his start!).

    Later in the 80s and early 90s, there was yet another groundbreaking ensemble, Northern Exposure (a quirky and sophisticated half-serious drama, with LOTS of magic realism, about a small, remote Alaska town).

    Finally, I can’t go without mentioning my favorite #1 all-time GOAT series, Mad Men. I’ve watched the entire thing at least four times, it’s like reading and re-reading the proverbial “Great American Novel”.