no that thing, you should definitely continue doing that. Just seems unproductive to me.
Who brought that idea in? You just made that up.
Of course, ‘never fapping’ and automagically being a good person is an absurd manosphere grift to push. But if they were following a specific diet which in itself also doesn’t turn your life around but gets the ball rolling would you have the same stance?
What we’re really talking about is the equivalent of following fad diets because a fascist with an agenda is trying to bend vulnerable people to a cause they don’t understand, using psychological knowledge and conditioning techniques. These people are not consulting licensed professionals, they’re not talking to psychiatrists or therapists, they’re listening to Joe Rogen podcasts and Facebook propaganda.
So while all these other things you talk about might have some merit to them, that’s not what we’re really talking about, nor what the problem actually is. The problem is these men live in a society that simultaneously tells them their desires are bad, show unrealistic body images and other impossible standards, tells them they need to work on themselves in superficial ways, and all while forcing them to live as wage slaves while the ultra-rich laugh at the impossible frustration they’re putting people through.
Oh, that’s what I understood from the thread starting with:
its ok to fap
But I agree with your points, in general.
I guess where I am talking past you (or ‘listening’ past you, as it were) is that my argument is focused on this specific instance of someone doing something and I understood people to react with discouragement. You’re embedding the discussion into a wider societal angle. It still seems somewhat strange to bring it up in this instance as the original post also doesn’t mention any of the points you touch on and the ideas thus seem similarly ‘made up’ and brought in, for this case, to me.
But I definitely don’t have an argument with the points themselves, they are well made.
Who brought that idea in? You just made that up.
What we’re really talking about is the equivalent of following fad diets because a fascist with an agenda is trying to bend vulnerable people to a cause they don’t understand, using psychological knowledge and conditioning techniques. These people are not consulting licensed professionals, they’re not talking to psychiatrists or therapists, they’re listening to Joe Rogen podcasts and Facebook propaganda.
So while all these other things you talk about might have some merit to them, that’s not what we’re really talking about, nor what the problem actually is. The problem is these men live in a society that simultaneously tells them their desires are bad, show unrealistic body images and other impossible standards, tells them they need to work on themselves in superficial ways, and all while forcing them to live as wage slaves while the ultra-rich laugh at the impossible frustration they’re putting people through.
Figure it out.
Oh, that’s what I understood from the thread starting with:
But I agree with your points, in general.
I guess where I am talking past you (or ‘listening’ past you, as it were) is that my argument is focused on this specific instance of someone doing something and I understood people to react with discouragement. You’re embedding the discussion into a wider societal angle. It still seems somewhat strange to bring it up in this instance as the original post also doesn’t mention any of the points you touch on and the ideas thus seem similarly ‘made up’ and brought in, for this case, to me.
But I definitely don’t have an argument with the points themselves, they are well made.