The world’s largest chipmaker promised to create thousands of US jobs. There are growing tensions over whether US workers have the skills or work ethic to do them.::Jobs at the TSMC semiconductor factory in Arizona could require long hours and total obedience. Americans may push back on the company’s culture.
“If an engineer [in Taiwan] gets a call when he is asleep, he will wake up and start dressing,” he said. “His wife will ask: ‘What’s the matter?’ He would say: ‘I need to go to the factory.’ The wife will go back to sleep without saying another word. This is the work culture.”
Fuck that shit, that’s not work culture, that’s exploitation.
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Yeah and TSMC complains about US workers but at the same time keeps opening new plants there. It’s pretty obvious what it’s like to work for TSMC.
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Not much IT work without semiconductors, which is what Taiwan is known for producing en masse. A lot of these decisions to open new factories elsewhere are because of China’s constant threats to invade Taiwan.
You know the US government is paying TSMC hundreds of millions of dollars to open plants in the US, right?
TSMC is likely opening new plants in the US for geopolitical reasons. I.e. they open a plant in the US and get some us domestic silicon manufacturing underway and the US gives them security guarantees.
They want to bring their own workers over so they can do exactly that.
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What the fuck needs to get done by a chop engineer on short notice at midnight anyway
Or are they just calling line workers engineers to avoid paying overtime
When I worked in electronics manufacturing, production engineers were frequently out on the floor. Common issues were:
- a machine was placing a part incorrectly
- assembly workers couldn’t understand blueprints
- materials were getting damaged in a process that shouldn’t have been a problem
- a custom design tool/rig was not acting like it was supposed to
- there’s something clearly wrong with a process (like it was designed for one person and not an assembly line)
If anything major (or potentially major) came up, production completely stopped until the problem could be assessed by an engineer. Assembly workers weren’t allowed to fix things and they couldn’t estimate the cost of continuing to run a job with defects. Our engineers didn’t work 2nd/3rd shift though, so every time a job had issues we’d have to drop it and leave it for first shift. A downed line for 8+ hours is a LOT of money and for a bigger company would warrant calling someone in.
(I think the bigger issue is not “work ethics” like the article said or “need” like you said, but that the US has rules and pay requirements for on call employees)
Call me an engineer and you need to pay me a lot more though so that doesn’t really make sense.
Honey, I’m waiting you tonight.
Sorry, I’m busy.
I made something special…
No, I can’t.
Please, just say you cheat on me. I beg.
Sorry, sug. It’s just work. Again.
What a moodbreaker. Fifth time in a row. Fuck your boss.
Actually, he promoted me and said you can move in with me there.
Where?
Our quarters within the facility. We can have our time on my breaks. They can even hire you too! They’ve even built a kindergarten there, so we are full served as a young family.
Divorce. Now.
Our company is like that, but you’re not going to get a call every night. Each person in our (small) support group does a rotation of standby one week every two months. During that week you need to be available after hours and have your cell phone on. The upside is that we get time off for working after hours and we get extra days off just for being on standby which more than compensates, plus we get good overtime pay.
We have this as well. One year into it and I have never been called in. The network engineers have been several times, but the pay is compensation for the inconvenience.
I have no problem with that, as long as you pay for what is worth.
I know engineers who had work where their had to be on call like that. However they were doing rotation and they were being compensate for all the time they had to be on call.
From what I remember they were getting 0.3 days of paid holidays for each 12h they were being on call. This was on top of their 5 weeks+ of paid holidays (France).
I think the issue is not the work ethic of the employees, but the ethics of the employer in this case.
Edit: I forgot to say but if course if they are actually called then they get paid for the hours they spend at the factory on top of the compensation.
That depends on pay and other obligations.
I work in the US and I’m on call 24 hours a day basically doing IT work it’s not that crazy
Unless you let yourself get fucked over, you’re not on call 24/7/365 and for the time you are on call, you should get some sort of compensation.
They want to pay you shitty for 8 hours and than let you work 12-14 plus being on call for the rest of the day.
Here in Italy “being on call” is a contract clause, it’s often a rotation roster between multiple similar employees, and requires extra compensation
It’s disgusting is what it is
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Work ethic? Fuck you and your “work ethic.” I do my job and I do it well because it pays me to do it and if I don’t do it well, they could replace me. Why do I need a “work ethic?”
They want US workers to be cheap labor without sacrificing quality. It’s impossible to do that so they’re blaming the workers for being bad instead of blaming the companies for not paying workers well enough.
I recently moved some of our team’s headcount from the US to cheaper countries (Balkan). Given how expensive the US is, it made no sense to hire there. You can’t argue against math.
Plus, there are great ecosystems growing in these low cost countries.
It’s never been about US workers having the skills. It’s always been that we expect to be compensated for our labor. Paying real wages looks bad for their bottom line so they export the work and import the product at a fraction of the cost.
Actually if you read some of the stuff TSMC’s top guy has said, you’ll see there may be a bit more than compensation involved. It looks a bit like good old fashioned racism. Something about Taiwanese brains vs American brains. It’s not good at all.
I mean, these are cultures where racism is kinda normalized. Nothing particularly surprising.
Still it’s funny how in XIX century with the same amount and quality of equipment an English worker would be 4-8 times more productive than a Chinese worker, and now a Taiwanese company is having the same doubts as Europeans had back then about opening a factory in USA.
Work ethic is code for we want labor to be cheaper and not need to poop.
It’s probably also very boring.
“Work ethic” is just HR speech for “cheap and easily exploitable”
Alternate explanation: manufacturer from country with poor labor laws realises skilled workers are expensive.
Jobs at the TSMC semiconductor factory in Arizona could require long hours and total obedience.
They want slaves.
The Factory in Arizona could require long hours and total obedience.
Wft does total obedience mean. Lol what bullshit.
I work in a semi conductor fab and I assure you the most inept workers here are the upper managers.
I have to give 3 separate updates a day with the same information to the same people. They are constantly worried about micro-schedules and push backs, while also requireing endless meetings to discuss why we arent making the deadlines. Its fucking ludacris. Also their Internet doesnt work inside the fab so I have to stop work early to leave and then email them their fucking updates.
These are the same people who are attempting to use temp companies to fill every position and then wondering if their workers have the work ethic. Lol.
Pay people a living wage and stop making their jobs miserable.
I hope you are making bank lol I wouldn’t put up with that shit for a week 😂
I dont work for the semiconductor company itself. I am a vendor. It is still bs but I have some insluation from the worst of it.
“You aren’t sweat-shoppy enough to host one of OUR sweat shops.”
Haha okay, xinny.
Ah yes, the skill to work 100 hours a week and be on call 24/7 and expect things like breaks. They should ask Amazon where they hire because that’s much of the same!
This exploitative just creates burned out engineers. It’s a reason total productivity has seen increasing with reduced work weeks. Well rested and happy people are vastly more efficient.
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There seems to be some confusion about the level of jobs involved here. This isn’t about standing on an assembly line for as long as you can hold your bladder. Low-level tasks like that are highly automated in these factories. But these also aren’t smoothly running processes where tasks are all routine and well-defined.
These are equipment technicians who find out one day from another team that a robot arm off by one tenth of a mm results in ruined product, and the current calibration only has mm resolution. A delay in addressing this could cost millions. Folks will need to stay late. Orders will need to be followed. Just an example.
Starting up a fab is like building an airplane mid flight. It’s not as simple as hiring more workers because the new problems aren’t predictable, and knowledge can’t be conveyed to new folks fast enough. Workers learn on the fly.
This is what Asian cultures have been kicking our ass in as far as semiconductor fabs. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on work culture and hours, but I don’t think we (Americans) can expect to compete with Asian peers in this space without compromise.
Also, these are great careers for people who don’t mind working and enjoy challenges.
I mean. Americans have shown they’ll work off hours, that’s not the issue. It’s generally that it’s expected to be compensated well and to make up the hour deficit elsewhere in the week if that happens
This is just a negotiating tactic. An extra tax break will solve those problems. Nothing to see here. Move along.
That is a horribly lax attitude to attempted extortion.
Why would anyone know how to make chips, if we don’t make chips. Who’s going to teach them to make chips, the chip fairy?
Mr. Pringles
Shit, I’m qualified for this?
Are your hands small enough to reach the bottom?
Hilariously, Pringles are not technically “chips” and can’t be called that legally.
How about crisps?
