First off, I’d normally ask this question on a datahoarding forum, but this one is way more active than those and I’m sure there’s considerable overlap.

So I have a Synology DS218+ that I got in 2020. So it’s a 6 year old model by now but only 4 into its service. There’s absolutely no reason to believe it’ll start failing anytime soon, and it’s completely reliable. I’m just succession planning.

I’m looking forward to my next NAS, wondering if I should get the new version of the same model again (whenever that is) or expand to a 4 bay.

The drives are 14 TB shucked easy stores, for what it’s worth, and not even half full.

What are your thoughts?

  • GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.worldEnglish
    52·
    9 months ago

    The NAS itself will likely outlive the drives inside, just the nature of things. Hard drives follow a sort of curve when it comes to failure, most fail either immediately or in a few 10000 hours of run time. Other factors include the drives being too hot, the amount of hard power events, and vibration.

    Lots of info on drive failure can be found on Backblaze’s Drive stat page. I know you have shucked drives, these are likely white label WD Red drives which are close to the 14TB WD drive backblaze uses.

    • akilou@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      7·
      9 months ago

      Yeah they’re reds. Is there a way I can check how many hours they have on them? 10,000 is just over a year. They’re a couple years old now.

      I’m not too concerned about them failing, I can afford to replace one without notice and they’re mirrored. And backed up in some other easy stores.

      • Nyfure@kbin.social
        9·
        9 months ago

        smartctl

        But 10.000 seems on the low side, i have 4 datacenter toshiba 10tb disks with 40k hours and expect them to do at least 80k, but you can have bad luck and one fails prematurely.
        If its within warranty, you can get it replaced, if not, tough luck.

        Always have stuff protected in raid/zfs and backed up if you value the data or dont want a weekend ruined because you now have to reinstall.
        And with big disks, consider having more disks as redundancy as another might get a bit-error while restoring the failed one. (check the statistical averages of the disk in the datasheet)

      • SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nzEnglish
        6·
        9 months ago

        I wouldn’t start worrying until 50k+ hours.

        There should be a way to view SMART info and that includes an hour count.

      • GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        9 months ago

        That info can be found in the smart data for the drives, but I didn’t mean 10,000 hours, more like > 50,000

      • subtext@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        I believe the synology DSM should have a feature for this. Try the storage manager app and it should tell you SMART info.

    • passepartout@feddit.deEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      I’ve got a 12TB Seagate desktop expansion which contains a Seagate ironwolf drive. According to the link you shared, I’ll better look for a backup drive asap.

      Edit: the ones in the backblaze reference are all exos models, but i still have no profounf trust in Seagate.

      • GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        9 months ago

        Yes, according to their historical data Seagate drives appear to be on the higher side of failure rates. I’ve also experienced it myself, my Seagate drives have almost always failed before my WD drives.

        • ebits21@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          9 months ago

          Interesting. When I researched drives for my NAS the general conclusion was to avoid the reds. Go with iron wolf.

          🤷🏻‍♂️

  • Prok@lemmy.worldEnglish
    19·
    9 months ago

    My Synology NAS was running for 6+ years before I replaced it last year. And the only reason I replaced it was to upgrade the hardware to be able to act more like a home server running some more demanding services.

    I’ve since given the NAS away to a friend who is still running it… As always back up your data just in case, but I wouldn’t expect the hardware to crap out on you too soon

    • akilou@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      84·
      9 months ago

      Oh, I don’t need to back it up because I have two drives running in RAID.

      😜

    • jasep@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      Same here. Last year I upgraded from a DS214+ and it was still running great. The only reason I upgraded to the DS220+ was so I could run docker containers.

      I sold it for $200 which meant I ran it for 9 years for about $57 a year (CAD). I’m hoping to get even better bang for the buck with the new unit.

    • Red@reddthat.comEnglish
      1·
      9 months ago

      I still have my DS1812 which I bought for ~1200 when it came out in 2012/2013 as well.

      It only runs NFS/SMB atorage services. Still is an amazing unit. It has been through 7 house moves 2 complete failures, and about 4 raid rebuilds.

      Considering it’s 2024 now and it’s been running for nearly 12 years, it’s the reason I recommend paying out the arse for Synology hardware even if it is overpriced. I still get security patches, and I got a recent (2 years ago?) OS upgrade.
      It can still run the occasional docker containers for when I need to get the latest ISOs or for running rclone to backup.

      If I bought a new unit I would be happy for another 10+ years with it no doubt. As long as I purchased as much ram as possible to put in it because 3GB ram in this unit is what really kills the functionality, besides from the now-slow cpu

      • Nyarlathotep@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        9 months ago

        I have an 1813+ and it’s also been a champ. Unless the computer inside it dies, I will continue to use it indefinitely.

        However, I have offloaded all server duties other than storage to other devices. I do not ask my Syno to run Plex or any other services else besides DNS. As long as those SMB shares stay up, it’s doing what it needs to do. And gigabit will be fast enough for a long time to come.

  • Moonrise2473@feddit.itEnglish
    182·
    9 months ago

    With a free os: indefinitely

    With a proprietary os: hope and pray the maker doesn’t discontinue it tomorrow

  • foggy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10·
    9 months ago

    Your NAS will last as long as your storage medium.

    HDD lasts 5-10 years, SSD lasts like 10+

    • MIDItheKID@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      9 months ago

      Not the batch of WD Red SSDs I got in 2022. 3 of the 4 have failed. I’m assuming the 4th is going to die any day now. Fortunately WD honors their warranties, and only one drive died at a time so the my RAID was able to stay intact.

      I feel like I must have gotten 4 from the same bad batch or something. One dying felt like bad luck, but when another died every 3 months it seemed like more than a coincidence. And none of the replaced ones have died, just the original batch.

      So how long does an SSD last? YMMV.

  • Bourff@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    9 months ago

    Imho there’s no reason to change or upgrade if your current setup works and you’re satisfied with it. Keep your money, you’ll see what the market has to offer when you need it.

  • mbirth@lemmy.mbirth.ukEnglish
    7·
    9 months ago

    I’ve bought a Synology DS415+ back in December 2014. So it just turned 9 and it’s still kicking. (Even with the C2000 fix.)

    Although Synology stopped delivering updates, I’ll keep it as long as it does what I need it to. However, my next device will be a TerraMaster where I’ll install OMV on. Can’t get a NAS with custom OS in a smaller form factor.

  • rufus@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    6·
    9 months ago

    I’d say 6-12 years. Maybe including about 1 hard disk failing. I forgot what the mean to failure is for a harddisk. And in a decade I probably have all the disks filled to the brim, my usage pattern changed and a new one has 10x the network speed, 4x more storage and is way faster in every aspect.

  • shrugal@lemm.eeEnglish
    5·
    9 months ago

    I had my DS213+ for a bit over 10 years, with no failures of any kind, just a bit of drive swapping for more storage space. Finally upgraded last year to a 4-bay with better performance and Docker support, but I would have kept using the old one otherwise.

  • Nollij@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    5·
    9 months ago

    What do you mean by “last”? I know it’s a common term, but when you dig deeper, you’ll see why it doesn’t really make sense. For this discussion, I’m assuming you mean “How long until I need to buy a newer model?”

    First, consider the reasons you might have for buying a newer model. The first is hardware failure. Second is obsolescence - the device cannot keep up with newer needs, such as speed, capacity, or interface. The third is insecurity/unsupported from the vendor.

    The last one is easy enough to check from a vendor’s product lifecycle page. I’ll assume this isn’t what you’re concerned about. Up next is obsolescence. Obviously it meets your needs today, but only you can predict your future needs. Maybe it’s fine for a single 1080p* stream today, and that’s all you use it for. It will continue to serve that purpose forever. But if your household grows and suddenly you need 3x 4k streams, it might not keep up. Or maybe you’ll only need that single 1080p stream for the next 20 years. Maybe you’ll hit drive capacity limits, or maybe you won’t. We can’t answer any of that for you.

    That leaves hardware failure. But electronics don’t wear out (mechanical drives do, to an extent, but you asked about the NAS). They don’t really have an expected life span in the same way as a car battery or an appliance. Instead, they have a failure rate. XX% fail in a given time frame. Even if we assume a bathtub curve (which is a very bold assumption), the point where failures climb is going to be very unclear. The odds are actually very good that it will keep working well beyond that.

    Also of note, very few electronics fail before they are obsolete.

    *Technically it’s about bitrate, but let’s just ignore that detail for simplicity. We’ll assume that 4k uses 4x as much space as 1080p

    TL;DR: It could fail at any moment from the day it was manufactured, or it could outlast all of us. Prepare for that scenario with a decent backup strategy, but don’t actually replace it until needed.

  • maxprime@lemmy.mlEnglish
    3·
    9 months ago

    Using unraid is nice because you can keep replacing drives with lawyer ones as you need, or adding new drives to the array. It’s very flexible that way, despite some of its shortcomings.

  • DeepChill@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    3·
    9 months ago

    I’m still running a DS414 filled with WD Red drives. I’ve only swapped out one of the drives as it was starting to have issues. I’ve considered upgrading for more features (Docker, Home Assistant etc) but can’t justify the expense just for “nice to have” instead of “need”. Realistically it only stores Linux ISOs that I get with Download Station.

    • akilou@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      Yeah, performance is not an issue for me. I stream some Linux ISOs and so do a few friends. Pihole, photos backup, documents backup. That’s about it.

  • TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    9 months ago

    What about building your own NAS? If you’ve the time / skills you can pick a very small micro ITX motherboard and a NAS case and build your own. This way you can run open-source software and it will have more features / expandability and potentially last way longer.

  • youmaynotknow@lemmy.mlEnglish
    3·
    9 months ago

    I’d be more concerned about the longevity of the drives than any NAS itself. I moved from commercial NAS appliances to a self-built one. It turns out that they cost about the same (depending on the hardware configuration you end up choosing, evidently), but are MUCH better performance-wise.