Tldr: Remote desktop, Cortana, camera, people app are all getting uninstall buttons.
“uninstalled” … til the first automatic update 🙃
HI! I’m Skype!
uninstall
Hi! I’m Skype!
uninstall
Hi! I’m skype!
“Are you suuuuure you don’t want to use Edge? Are you suuuuure you don’t want it to be the default handler for .pdf and .svg files? Are you sure? Are you sure you’re sure? Just in case, we’ll pin it to your start menu again and put a shortcut to it on your desktop. Just until you’re sure.”
Apple’s starting to get more and more into this. Safari pesters you and nobody wants NEWS/Stocks/AppleTv App, Weather, etc. But you can’t uninstall them :(
I was able to uninstall all of the apps you just mentioned on iPhone just to cure my curiosity.
Which Apple device is not letting you uninstall those apps?
MacOS not iPhone. Should have specified
No worries! I was just a little confused when I tried it on my iPhone and it worked.
That’s what sudo rm -rf is for 😇. I’m going to try this on my Mac to satisfy my curiosity! Will report back.
Yes but you can bury a “CrApple” folder on the last page
I can always count on at least one idiot to mention Apple in a Microsoft hate thread.
I think you should go back to Reddit if you want to engage with people like that just crazy right out of the gate
Ew, a gatekeeper.
I got so annoyed with the fucking shortcut reappearing that I put it in one corner of one monitor that I hardly look at so it never appears on my main desktop monitor.
Just out of sight and out of mind.
I put it in one corner of one monitor that I hardly look at so it never appears on my main desktop monitor.
lol I did the exact same thing. That and all the unnecessary crap my work installs that I will never use but can’t even uninstall the damn shortcuts they slap on my desktop are all jammed in the corner of a monitor off to the side.
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And then they made it where you can’t just select a different browser, you have to go manually associate each type with the new browser.
Cortana is being killed and replaced with their ChatGPT Bing thing.
Why does Microsoft hate Halo so much
It’s a successful consumer product. Can’t have that under the Microsoft umbrella
Microsoft will punish Halo for each and every fan that failed to spend $2000 on mtx armor colors
Does that mean the AI thing will be unable to be uninstalled?
Probably. It will be an “essential” part of the OS, like Edge.
Which means it’ll probably be training on literally everything you do on the computer and reporting it all back to Microsoft
Sounds like a good reason to get rid of windows 😁
Which is also when they regularly try and get you to mistakenly click a button to make Edge your default browser. Scummy dark patterns.
I never got unwanted stuff back after update.
Its seemed… better lately. But I used to get skype back every single update when 11 first came out.
They also fuck with privacy settings too on uodate…
Switched to Linux after that shit.
I don’t know about Windows 11, but my Windows 10 instance also reverts my “fast startup” setting on every major update. I know this, because my PC’s motherboard does not work with “fast” startup and instead takes about half an hour to get from POST to desktop when it’s enabled. Suffice to say that I know when Microsoft changes this setting behind my back. I have it disabled for a reason, fuckheads.
AMD?
I’ve got a Gigabyte Auros Elite X570 with the 5600. I have to disable fast boot from BIOS because it causes my computer to boot up much more slowly.
I think Fast Boot is more about screwing up anything third party.
If it’s on, it bollixes up the wireless card if you reboot into Linux. But even without dual-booting, it seems to leave USB devices active that I don’t want (specifically a USB->serial adaptor with a peripheral danging off of it)
Do you have a pro or enterprise license?
What about FUCKING TEAMS
PS> get-appxpackage *teams* | remove-appxpackageI love PowerShell
If lemmy had gold I’d give you some
I’m glad there’s no gold. I’ll still tell you what I told people about buying gold. Go make a donation to a charity instead.
I like fsf.org, saf.org, or gunowners.org
You could always uninstall Teams and still can, regularly via the Settings app.
Fun fact, if you have Teams uninstalled, hitting Windows key + c will conveniently install it again. Yay!
Why remote desktop? I can understand the rest. But who uninstalls default apps and doesn’t use remote desktop?
Very few people use remote desktop.
Very few people bother removing all the default apps in the first place.
The type of high caliber nerd to care about a pre installed app that sits dormant and uses a few MB of storage probably already uses remote desktop often enough they’d want to keep it.
I would have used it but it’s only available on Pro/Enterprise versions. But that led me to finding Parsec so all ended well.
Remote Desktop App vs Remote Desktop Connection.
The remote desktop app isn’t installed by default. At least I’ve never seen it installed by default.
Hmm, I can’t imagine they mean MSTSC. The RD App sucks ballz
I agree with that “and”
Remote Desktop is dead. Azure killed it. TeamViewer is the replacement (and yes you have to pay for it) or you pick another third party vendor for your RDP needs.
People still use team viewer?
I do, though it’s rare lately. What do you use instead?
A VPN and RDP.
Scammers notably of course, but it’s Microsoft’s sanctioned solution to them removing RDP capability with Azure. I’m super interested in finding out what cut they get or how much TeamViewer payed for that.
The only exposure I have to windows now is in an Amazon virtual environment so I want aware of this. It seems strange seeing as RDP is a simple and robust solution… Unlike TeamViewer.
Great. Now give them a couple more years to learn they shouldn’t be installed by default in the first place.
I think the list of “apps” (AKA junk) people would actually like to deinstall is quite a bit longer.
How about uninstalling edge? It is only needed to download Firefox, anyway.
It sure took them a while, but they seem to finally allow folks to personalize their experience. I’m not going to complain about it, though – this is definitely a good change.
Not far enough. It’d be lovely if I could scale Windows down to almost 7 gigs or so (what windows 10 is, probably should be lower) But the thing is Windows in general is just a bloated piece of crap that continues to grow.
What the hell is wrong with remote desktop and the camera app?
Maybe someday they’ll discover checkboxes and use them to not have to install these apps in the first place.
“What’s a checkbox? Oh, you mean that thing we use to trick users into ‘consenting’ to telemetry?”
I think I’ve got it! So on install, we make a checkbox that says:
- do not install web search in the start menu, but also I consent to Microsoft collecting creepy levels of data about me
Wait, so of the five apps they will “let” you uninstall now, one makes little sense to have in the consumer edition (remote desktop - which is effectively enabled in Pro only) and one is getting deprecated (Cortana - bye bye!).
The remote desktop they are talking about is the client app used to connect to remote systems.
The remote desktop feature that’s limited to Pro is the ability for the system to receive remote connections.
I’m all for less bloat ware, but come one. The camera app or remote desktop are the least shitty ones. Its borderline to call them even bloatware.
Windows 11 ships with a shitty featureless version of the remote desktop client. You have to download the “real” or “full” version from the Windows app store.
I found this out incidentally a few weeks ago and it is annoying having the app you need and some random imposter app with the same name clogging up search / start menu.
Have they fixed the store version so it can do multiple monitors yet? Also local folder redirects?
No clue sorry, that’s not functionality that I use.
My issue is the Solitaire and games. We have Win11 for Business (Switching to Enterprise soon) and I have to run a powershell script during Intune/oobe to rip out all the bloat.
But Windows always came with Solitaire - even 30+ years ago. It was included originally to teach users how to use a mouse. Solitaire makes you click, double click and drag.
Removing Solitaire caused its own backlash. They can’t win with that one.
my work is transitioning to it soon, I’ll have to find similar scrips soonish.
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I mean I’ve never used either of those apps and my computer doesn’t even have a camera.
Sounds like textbook bloatware to me… 🤷♀️
“if I don’t use it, it’s useless”
Bloatware doesn’t necessarily mean it’s useless, but if even a reasonable percent of people don’t want or need it or shouldn’t be preinstalled. That’s bloatware.
For bloatware to be a meaningful term, I think it needs to go beyond just some arbitrary percent of users don’t need or use it. For an OS, having baseline apps which are useful across a wide variety of hardware setups and use cases is reasonable, even if they don’t apply in your particular situation. Bloat would be superfluous apps that replicate baseline features or baseline apps that have grown in scope beyond what’s strictly necessary.
Remote desktop and camera apps are pretty primary pieces of functionality, whether or not you use or need them. Windows is bloated garbage in general but those apps are not really a part of that imo… I don’t know if there’s really a precise definition of bloatware but I sort of think of it mostly as something that takes up your system resources rather than just hard drive space. Something that runs all or most of the time even though it doesn’t actually provide much value
It’s bloat because a lot of people will never make use of it, so it’s taking up more space (bloating it) for no appreciable gain. It should be easy to install if you do want to make use of it, but not literally every piece of software should be installed just because some people will use it.
It coming pre-installed is also harmful to third parties. Many will just choose the MS version because it’s already there, rather than potentially find another group who’s made similar (maybe even better) software for the same purpose.
By that definition
grepandawkare bloat on Linux.i’d wager those tools are “indirectly used” by other used software … that should also be included into the definition.
one mans bloat is another mans treasure
Agreement. But they are not removing them so much as adding the option to uninstall them right? So functionally it’s thereof needed still.
RDC could be a good option to uninstall for businesses where the machine acts as a terminal and you don’t want those devices launching RDC to begin with Not sure why it hasn’t been allowed already.
Every company I’ve worked for so far had me use RDC at some point, either to connect to a server or to an app.
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To be clear, they seem to be saying that those apps will still be preinstalled. They’ll just be easier to uninstall if you want to do so.
"option for the first time to uninstall the Camera app, Cortana app, Photos app, People app, and the Remote Desktop client. "
The camera app or remote desktop are the least shitty ones.
I’ve never had a desktop computer with a camera.
Let’s cut the crap: it’s not that they “realized” nobody wants it – it’s that they’ve come to accept the blowback against their reputation has gotten too big to outweigh the potential pros of preinstalled bloatware supporting their strategy.
They always knew, they just didn’t care.
Or they thought forcing them on you made them money and care about nothing else. Now they’ve realized it’s a net negative.
They will just be replaced with something else that you can’t remove.
Im running Windows 11 on my new laptop. Every major update it’s like:
- PLZ LET EDGE BE UR BROWSER
- BRO PLZ, OFFICE SUBSCRIPTION
- LOCATION?
- Let me just install tiktok and FB apps.
My laptop officially supports Ubuntu, think I might make the switch full time. I don’t game on my laptop and most of it’s use is browser, plex and emails…
Realized?? They knew all the time, and didn’t give a shit.
It’s more likely that they have pushed too far, and users are pushing back. They will dial it back a bit, and hope people forget.
That, and stop dumbing down the UI. Gradeschoolers in 1999 could operate windows, it doesn’t need to get dumber
Gradeschoolers, yes.
Boomers are still struggling even with the modern, simplified UI. They would likely continue to struggle if we had Idiocracy style UI on things (big, bright colored buttons with pictures of what they do).
Boomers struggle period, its hard being stupid
I’m amazed they can sort of navigate an iphone
I think they mostly just tap around until they get where they need to go, something in between a parrot and a monkey with a typewriter.
Gradeschoolers, yes.
Not so much anymore. Gradescoolers all grew up on iPads and are probably worse off than boomers.
Er, it’s not the boomers who are struggling. They’re barely even in the workforce anymore.
https://www.theatlantic.com/sponsored/grow-google-2019/smartphone-generation-computer-help/3127/
I know it’s fun to rag our boomer parents and grandparents but it was boomers who designed the older, “complex” UI for usage by other boomers. Since boomers are now dropping out of the workforce (25% of it right now) it seems likely that the UI is being dumbed down for the much larger Gen-X/Millennial/Gen Z workforce.
Yeah, there’s now a lot of people who have actually never used a desktop OS, and the only OS they’ve used being a phone or tablet. Those people are more having an influence on dumbing down the OS now. It’s pretty crazy how compute illiterate newer generations have become due to shift in what is considered their primary OS. Some people don’t even have laptop or desktops.
https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z
I see both kinds of Boomers. My dad, a boomer, is in the tech industry. He is a software engineer. My grandpa was also a software engineer. Everyone I know from his side of the family has been in tech.
And then there is every boomer I know that isn’t my own family and they are practically luddites. I know the former can exist. But it seems rare.
Apparently a large portion of the population, regardless of generation, proudly announces their tech illiteracy. I’m IT, and these people don’t even remember their personal email passwords.
LoL, tell that to every fucking child and teenager who have been using an iPhone, iPad and MacOS for all their lives. It’s unbelievable how stupid you can get when you’re locked into a walled garden and the OS you’re using is designed for three year olds. I have a buddy who’s mainly a Mac and iPhone guy, and I fuck you not, he doesn’t know how to use anything else. He’ll just stare at the screen and simply don’t understand what to do.
Agreed. I have been working so hard to get my young kids to understand file systems, directory structures, keyboard shortcuts, etc; all that stuff that just never gets learned anymore with all the iOS/Android interactions.
I’m building a new PC for myself in the next few weeks and if they want to continue playing Genshin/Starcraft2/BeamNG/Trackmania on my older PC as it becomes the “Family PC” they will need to sit with me and learn how to reassemble it, install Windows, attaching peripherals, and setup a few basic things.
That’s the price and that’s the reward.
Many of us grew up in a world where you had to figure this shit out or simply not have a working computer/piece of software.
1999 gradeschoolers not today’s Gradeschoolers with win98
They’ve always realized, they’ve just never cared.
They did care, they just cared about the money instead.
Yeah what a weird title, they know exactly what they are doing.
Using Windows primarily for gaming, I eventually got tired of some of the issues I had with it (ads appearing in the start menu). I gave Linux a try and it was so so for a while. I kept going back and forth but it’s been 2 years now and I haven’t had Windows installed and can play 90% of my games without issue. I wouldn’t recommend it for everyone. But for those that primarily use their computer for gaming and non-windows specific applications (like web browsing or other various things), Linux is offering some competition for desktop people.
linux seems to work pretty well until it doesnt and then it really doesnt work. seems that there’s still some hardware incompatibility issues
I agree completely. I’ve been lucky enough to have only an issue where Steam keeps my computer from sleeping regardless of power save settings. I’ve had friends that have tried the same set up as me, and for some reason the computer fails to boot after a simple upgrade (apt upgrade). So I really do mean it when I wouldn’t recommend it. But if someones feeling adventurous it can be fun to try out and see if it works for you.
What games fall into the 10% that don’t play?
(Genuinely asking–I’ve been considering the switch.)
Some games use kernel-level anticheat. Unfortunately, because there is a kernel driver involved, it must be specifically ported to Linux, and some developers simply don’t want to bother.
examples: Valorant, Roblox, PUBG
I think they never heard about “never trust user input”
Roblox is actually playable on Linux fwiw, I play it with my kiddo all the time
Games using Easy CheatEngine (or something like it)
EAC (Easy AntiCheat) works just fine on Linux as long as the developer enables it. There are very few anti-cheats that don’t work anymore. The ones that aren’t as big like Vanguard, which is Valorant’s anti-cheat, don’t work, but Battleye, EAC, and VAC works just fine.
The biggest one I miss, and it works, but the anti-cheat keeps me from my favorite servers is anything from the Red Orchestra series. I really enjoy their newer game Rising Storm 2 but the vast majority of the servers are protected with an anti-cheat that keeps me from joining. I’ve found a couple servers that don’t use the anti-cheat and I can play on those, but they’re not quite the same as some of the servers I have as favorites that are playable on Windows. Otherwise, most things generally work good, biggest problem is with launchers, and even those can be bypassed or fixed, but I’ve gotten to the point in my life where I just want things to work without having to remember what config files I’ve changed or futz with that may break in the future. The other games that I’ve had that don’t work may as well now, but honestly I’ve forgotten what they were. One that I don’t play, that I know a lot of people do is Destiny and I saw that they’ll ban you if you try on Linux. But I’ve only heard that as I haven’t played that on PC.
Check out protondb.com for a pretty great resource in what games work/kind of work/don’t work on linux (with proton specifically, which is how most people play Windows games on Linux). It’s far more accurate than even Steam’s own “verification” system for Steam Deck.
It’s pretty amazing what they’ve done with it over the past few years.
beyond anti-cheat and “just came out” there’s one more category that often doesn’t work: not-new, obscure games.
Anything that isn’t pretty new and/or pretty popular may need to you run through some hoops to get running right.
If you like jumping from game to game a lot, I wouldn’t recommend Linux, but if you stick to a few and play them for a long time (and you don’t mind the extra work it is to learn a new OS) I think it would be worth making the switch.
The ads in Windows 11 are a dogshit feature, but you can turn them off in the settings.
Yea I’ve always found that complaint odd. I just assumed everyone who makes it also has the activate windows watermark, and thus can’t access the option.
I would but the only thing holding me back is the lack of HDR support in Linux. Windows 11 is currently the only desktop OS to implement it properly (10’s HDR is a joke), so I’m stuck with it
Great point. I still don’t have an HDR monitor but that could be nice. Plus, if everything’s working for you no need to switch it up! It’s great that Microsoft is adding the ability to remove some of the programs a lot of people don’t / wont use without having to copy and paste powershell commands. I remember there were some scripts / instructions on how to uninstall what would otherwise be uninstallable programs by opening a powershell as an administrator. I don’t have anything against Windows, I just got tired of having so many ads put into my start menu and ads in the weather widget they added to the task bar after I paid $100+ for the OS way back when. But I’m not sure how their handling the “price” of Windows now.
Is there a way to disable the ads, news and recommendations yet? Until then I’m not upgrading.
a beta build of Windows 11 in the Canary Channel includes the option for the first time to uninstall the Camera app, Cortana app, Photos app, People app, and the Remote Desktop client.
Still no Microsoft edge though…
I don’t give a shit, I’ll use other programs to uninstall whatever I want.
Call me when I can use a vertical task bar. Until then, I’m sticking with win10.
it’s crazy to think that you can’t just uninstall some apps in the first place even though it would be technologically possible
This is all so foreign to me now. I’m not forced to keep anything on Linux.
How to tell if someone uses Linux? Don’t worry they will tell you.
The Linux and FOSS circlejerk will never end. I’m saying this as someone that uses Linux.
let me know if you want to hang out and jerk off sometime
You know what, I don’t want it to end either. Its great entertainment, both the Linux circlejerkers constantly shoehorning Linux everywhere, and the responding circlejerkers making fun of them, as if the former doesn’t wear it like a badge of honor. Its circlejerking all the way down. A downwards-helix-jerking if you will.
I use Linux btw.
I use Arch BTW. Sorry couldn’t help myself.
I dual boot steamos which I believe is built on arch lol but I don’t use Linux for much tbh I’m a carpet installer and I’m just into tech stuff as a hobby lol
Fuck, editing for proper formatting.
Literally no one cares
I care because I use Arch BTW too
How to tell if someone uses Windows? Don’t worry, they will loudly bitch about how it sucks then proceed to shit on Linux users.
(This isn’t you it’s just something I’m seeing a lot more often lately)
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Seems pretty appropriate in a thread complaining about an operating system.
Sometimes people aren’t looking for a solution and just want to grumble
It should tell people something that so many Linux users are happy enough with it to want to talk about it.
Computer OS veganism.
If meat eaters complained about meat as much as Windows users complained about Windows…
I don’t understand why A) Linux users can’t be excited to share something they are passionate about and B) Windows users aren’t interested in hearing about an alternative when Windows sucks so bad.
Unlike veganism though it is actually correct
What is “incorrect” about veganism?
Nothing actually, I was just making a stab at vegans because they get so much flak lol.
I actually think the choice to go vegan is awesome, really it’s the ones that just shit on others that rubs me the wrong way, a good bit of Linux users do this as well. Personally I would never use windows unless it was absolutely necessary (I am a DJ and Producer in my freetime and I had a “pooprietary” controller that only worked with traktor, but now Mixxx has support for it so we cool now)
Even then, whenever I did have to use windows for that specific use case, I had it on a dedicated machine running an extremely stripped down version of windows (ameliorated) and it wasn’t a machine that I connected to the internet.
That being said though, I seriously respect people’s freedoms and even if I have different ideas or opinions than someone else, I’m not going to tell them they’re wrong unless it could harm them or something like that.
That being said though, and this could just be me, I think going vegan would be more difficult than switching to Linux in today’s day and age. With Linux you just need to find alternatives and integrate them into your workflow (there’s layers to that of course). With veganism, you have to inspect every single product to make sure it doesn’t contain animal products (which also has layers to it).
Hell with Linux, you can even use WINE to use windows programs, veganism doesn’t have anything like that! You can’t just wrap a cheeseburger in lettuce and call it vegan!
It’s honestly pretty awesome, genuine vegans are really strong people, and although the radical ones had put a sour taste in my mouth at first, over the years as I learned the hardships of their way of life, they definitely have earned my respect!
It’s the new iOS vs Android with everyone acting like tribal high schoolers weeee
Yeah, I was painfully reminded of that when Ubuntu helpfully uninstalled xwayland for me on an ‘apt upgrade’…
Not even systemd?
I just googled “Linux distro without systemd” and google gave me a list of 11 right off the bat without even having to click any links. So yeah, not even systemd.
You can just install another init system
It’s the integrated AI spying on you that is real concern
Wait: They are saying you can remove the Remote Desktop client? You mean the client you cannot use to connect to a Windows Home license because you cannot run remote desktop without a higher license?
Interesting flex there Microsoft.
