I don’t want to be totally uninformed about what’s going on, but I also don’t want to fall into doomscrolling.

I know that I could very easily just avoid any news sites and only find out about these things secondhand from people I talk to whether in real life or online. I also know that it’s not good to bury your head in the sand quite that far.

I could also very easily doomscroll different news sites and actively seek out more depressing news when I’m done scrolling one site. I’ve been doing more of this option lately, and as a reaction to that I’ve started doing total avoidance, which I know isn’t good.

So how and where did you strike a healthy balance between reading enough news to stay informed, but not enough to be in a constant state of anxiety about the world?

I’m looking for genuine advice here. I don’t want to be mean but I’m not too sure else how to say the following: I don’t want to come back to a lot of replies about “I didn’t find a balance lol I just doomscroll/stick my head in the sand” and “I feel this, same.” Not really sure if that’s going against the spirit of the chatting community, but seeing a lot of “same problem” and zero advice tends to make me feel more in despair. I already know this is a common problem, so what would usually be the correct social move of saying you relate in order to empathize and let the other know they’re not alone isn’t helpful for me in this particular instance.

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    My personal methods for this, may or may not work for others.

    1. don’t take personal responsibility for things you can not personally control. This is the source of despair.

    2. choose where you get your information from carefully. If the source is pushing a particular version of events too strongly they’re trying to get a reaction from you. Drop em.

    3. Getting more than one source prevents being pulled too far in one direction. Having too many causes confusion and uncertainty. Two or three good sources of news is enough.

    4. study history. Read about politics and events throughout all of human history. This gives you context and can be very soothing as you get a perspective broader than any single human life.

    5. focus on yourself and your life. Is that improving? What small steps do you want to take to improve that?

    6. drop the scripts you’re given. You’ve been told what Your life should look like but it’s rarely possible to meet those expectations and the news re-enforces this. Drop the scripts and live your own life based on what is possible and desirable for you.

    There’s probably more I could say here but that feels like the heart of it.

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      This is pretty much my approach as well. If I don’t have agency over what’s happening I stay deliberately months to years behind the news cycle. By then, I can study it as recent history, with less panic, rancor, and propaganda. That also gives me space to stay up to date on the few things I can affect, like decentralizing the internet, breeding locally adapted potatoes, and enjoying life.

      A friend commented on how wonderful a life we must lead, to be unconcerned about the news. I don’t understand it, because all you have to do is stop watching it.

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      don’t take personal responsibility for things you can not personally control. This is the source of despair.

      Also one of the reasons why I no longer participate in activism. As a cisgender, hetero white guy, it was expected that I assume personal responsibility for a lot of things I never actually did.

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        I still struggle with this one. I feel like my life lacks meaning without having some kind of external interaction. It used to be building a small community, then a random poly disaster came flying through and revealed a lot of problems with half of my friend group, including three of the 7 saying “I’m not a transman because men and transmen are toxic” (to me, a transman). So I dropped that half of the friend group, fortunately the other half also saw that as a red flag. I feel like they’re the only external interaction I have that’s worthwhile but I don’t really ‘build’ anything anymore, and that makes me feel like I’m wasting my life.

        Then I tried activism, but I hate feeling angry and sad all the time, because there’s certainly no good news and probably never will be.

        I try engaging with the pre-existing queer communities around me, but they’re massively fem/enby skewed so even when there aren’t any problems with misandry (which is rare), I end up feeling like I’m a weird relic of the past that shouldn’t exist anymore. Plus they’re heavily skewed towards unstable poly so it’s just a constant ongoing orgy/disaster all the time.

        It feels like regular society doesn’t want men who are anything left of far right. Conservatives don’t want you because you don’t agree with them, moderates are rare and often have their own problems, the left doesn’t want you because you’re a man and men are guilty unless proven otherwise (if there’s even a way to prove otherwise). I just don’t know.

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          I’m sorry you’ve had that experience.

          I grew up in a huge family so, for me, having a handful of really great friendships has always been perfect because I spent two decades being vastly overstimulated.

          With that said, I know enough of the trans experience to know that, for transmen, it can be very jarring to experience the existence of manhood and how society in general treats us. Forming friendships can become significantly more challenging post-transition, and I wish it weren’t that way.

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    This is probably not what you’re looking for, but at the height of Covid I made myself a prototype browser extension that would scan the front page of the two newspapers I read and replace all headlines containing certain keywords with a random dog picture. Everything was hardcoded and it only worked for the two news websites I used the most at the time, but it was fantastic.

    Maybe there’s something similar, but production-ready and publicly available?

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    Get a decent news aggregator. Check it once a day as part of another routine to help reinforce it as “This is a thing I do once a day when I do X (eat breakfast or whatever)”. Close the news aggregator. If you want to scroll something, get a decent non-news aggregator. Bonus points if the aggregators are on totally separate websites so that you have less temptation.

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    I, too, find striking the balance between staying informed and protecting myself from negativity to be daunting, disheartening, and frequently unrealistic.

    What helped me was my coincidental transition to services that have little or no “algorithmic” influence, such as switching to Lemmy/Mastodon. It requires me to be more intentional with my willing exposure to content, at the cost of being less convenient to find new content.

    Like, I don’t get as many new songs in my playlists since I jumped out of Spotify. It means I need to get creative in order to try new artists, but I’m not hitting the skip button as much, either.

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      I’m perfectly happy with it being harder to find new content. Finding new content online usually just results in more scrolling and more consumption from me. If I try something new/expand my horizons into something that isn’t just trying a new game or watching a new video, if I do something new to me that isn’t just consumption, it’s usually as a result of talking with people in the real world. For me, finding new content online tends to give me zero benefits and more wasted time. I assume you are not the same and new content is actually useful for you?

      I will say that Lemmy and the like aren’t the most useful unless you curate it, although this may vary per instance. I had to go out of my way to block Politics and similar communities here on Beehaw, and am about to go block the Technology community too. I usually spend more time rabbitholing into doom than I should as a result of what I see on Technology.

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    I actively avoid news. If something is important enough then it’ll make its way into my life one way or another. Besides, me being aware of the billions of problems in the world doesn’t change their outcome one bit, it just makes me unhappy. I’ve been more engaged with the news since joining Lemmy, since I don’t have my feed completely curated yet, and I’ve noticed a significant decline in my overall happiness. As a result, I’ve become more aggressive with my blocklists this last week.

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    I haven’t been doomsrolling for at least 15 years. Even on Reddit, I had my frontpage curated to block most of the “doom” stuff… but leaving Reddit behind and switching to Lemmy, has definitely cut on that even more.

    I DO NOT directly visit news sites, AT ALL. Only whatever I get through news aggregators.

    Currently, my sources are:

    • Beehaw Local
    • LemmyWorld Local
    • LemmyWorld Subscribed (only cool/funny stuff)
    • Google News recommends (curated down to mostly science, tech and space)
    • YouTube (similarly curated)
    • TV (mostly the looping 24h news broadcast, mostly the beginning with the headline blurbs, turning it off when I start getting fed up)
    • Fedilab (mastodon, following some people, artists, etc.)
    • Porn (check on 𝕏, quick search on your favorite website, y’know the drill)
    • A couple Facebook groups (FB’s ads interrupt the scrolling and make me close the whole thing)

    I try to switch from one source to another in a more or less regular pattern, never staying too long on a single feed, and engaging by writing comments or looking up related stuff.

    You could say I’m somewhat “underinformed”, but actually get a decent cross-section of news about local, country, world, general science and tech, and some niche interests.

    As for a constant state of anxiety… well, on one hand I’m in more of a resigned state of despair about the world… and I take anti-anxiety meds… so… yeah, not sure how much is owed to information hygiene, and how much to just giving up/not giving a crap.

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      As an asexual who’s only visited a porn site once to see what all the fuss was about before I knew I was asexual…

      Porn sites have NEWS!?

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        I’m using it in a broad sense of “looking for updates”. Porn sites have updates about new content, some people and artists post NSFW stuff on Twitter, Mastodon, Tumblr, etc. There is a whole lemmynsfw instance… and several more.

        Not sure how your case works, I’ve mentioned it because I have known people who were IMHO excessively sexual, who’d follow multiple sites, know actors by name, follow them, look for updates over and over, and so on.

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    I’ve mostly left social media and replaced it with RSS feeds of a couple of news outlets that I trust for good AND non-depressing news coverage (can’t really recommend them as they are in French; in English I just have a couple of “extra sources” for LGBT & sports topics).

    It’s been wonderful to finish the list and not have anything left to read. No more doomscrolling! It’s great!

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      I tried something similarily, although I stopped when there was some filtering rules I couldn’t figure out.This thread has inspired me to take that up again.

      Main advantages of this I would say:

      1. No endless scrolling as you say
      2. No cheap tricks (blinking red capital letters screaming BREAKING NEWS at you)
      3. No falling for the headline switcheroo - you see each article once. You might miss some updates in an article, but they are usually minor and when something big happens it tends to generate many articles anyway. If it’s really important, you will see it.
      4. Certain RSS clients (like Fluent Reader) allow you to view articles in app, which allows you to skip visiting the newsite altogether. Doesn’t work with paywalls, though.
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    My three main sources to follow the news (from France) :

    • Leftist twitch streamers (reacts and press reviews)
    • a website that handpicks funny tweets about the news of the day
    • my wife

    That keeps me informed on most of the important facts while adding a light touch with humor. I also like to read and watch other people getting angry for me, it’s cathartic.

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    I find the balance by acknowledging that I am one of 8 billion people and that there are going to be 7.9 billion problems happening at any given moment. I think about my problems and how a majority of them are frivolous and minor. I acknowledge that there’s endless, immense amounts of problems for other people that are far greater than what I deal with.

    And yet, I can do nothing for them. Not to sound brash, but why exert the energy worrying about something I can’t possibly have an affect on? Moreover, if I’m spending time worrying about things outside of my community, what time am I putting into helping my community? I wholeheartedly feel for refugees and absolutely loathe the man who called them dogs, his statements and our countries actions are abominable and they are just one of a litany of examples.

    What exactly is the need to stay informed? Informed about what? Are these things that you are able to effectively assess and help? Do you have the money for every crisis charity or in need individual? I mean, what good does actively searching out these issues in the world bring you except for dishearten you and make the way you perceive life harder?

    Don’t get me wrong from any of this - I am kind, ever giving and ever helpful at the drop of a hat before the question is even asked. I am a doer and I aspire to inspire by doing the right thing. But the right thing is relative. To do the right thing you have to take care of yourself first - you cannot set yourself on fire putting someone else out.

    The balance is being positive and spreading that positivity at any given opportunity. It’s not helpful to engage in doomscrolling, even if the goal is to “stay informed” about the latest climate disaster two states away, or how Mexico is doing during Hurricane Hilary. Is the time you spent reading about all of that time spend taken away from your morning walk where you’d have come across the elderly person who needs assistance? Sounds silly but my old home was next to an assisted living facility so one of my semi-weekly happenings was to help these people in wheelchairs get across our terribly busted up roads.

    The balance is finding ways to engage in your local community. Work or volunteer at the library or a non-profit performing arts center, get involved in the bills that are being proposed for your city and fight for them if they’re worth it and fight against them if they’re not. Change starts locally. We may be inspired to hear about the people of Hong Kong, but if we don’t actually do anything about our local problems then why are we cheering them on? Oh good, at least someone somewhere is doing something? Do your schools have funding for arts? Mine do not, so if kinds want to learn music or theater they have to do it as an extracurricular. These places are normally non-profit, heavily volunteer sponsored and are chronically understaffed. If you don’t like kids, senior facilities, hell the entire caregiving field if you don’t like old people either!

    The balance is feeling where your time is well spent. Are you only reading articles and resharing them? Are you only commenting in spaces where other people are agreeing? Are you only engaging in spaces where you antagonize each other? My only political time spent on the old-place was sheerly spent speaking to the people on the fence. I’d usually be responding to a right-wing/libertarian type who maybe seemed to have a semblance of realization that they may be perpetuating evil, or I’d be categorically listing against their every point pushing on empathy and action. I’d never aim to insult, I’d try and work from their perspective while pushing for human morals. In retrospect, it was all a waste of time. At the time though it was 2016 and so any chance of what I had to say changing someones perspective if even a little felt important. Now I only bother if it’s someone who genuinely seems misguided in good faith and that’s way more rare now. Was that time composing a speech style essay better spent than resharing ~5 articles about various different issues that others may have already seen? Who knows, realistically bother were just scrolled past. Most of mine would barely get 5 votes at all, rarely ever being more than 20 votes. And I am almost 100% certain that my words, about this much text in response, is seen and not read forever ignored by the person I was actually responding to. I know because they are the type of people to not bother responding. In the same vein, what is resharing those articles doing if people are just seeing the same headline again, but from you this time? Realistically, neither making this speech nor sharing those articles are having any effective change, but the hope is that they make someone think? Or at least, I hope to make someone reevaluate something with another perspective and the article has whatever its agendas are, usually just trying to inform. (But again… inform what and why?)

    As with all things, I think there’s something to be said about moderation. If by trying to be aware of everything we are paralyzed into doing nothing then are we not worse off? That’s not at all to say stay ignorant, but rather to focus on learning what you can effectively bring change to. Realistically, we cannot help another country. Spending my time looking at the tragedies of war or natural disasters won’t make me a better person. Ignoring them by choosing to spending my time more effectively doesn’t make me a worse person. Realistically, we cannot help another state (to an extent) Spending my time scrambling to put together links for donating to worthwhile charities to help Maui? That one is actually great as long as no one else has done that work. But worrying about the train spill in Ohio, Flint, Michigan’s water situation, or the latest assault weapon attack? There is really not too much that you or I can do about that from where we are. And realistically, we cannot help even another city, easily at least.

    But realistically, we can absolutely help our town or city, and fairly easily. We can absolutely get involved in our local community, and as we learn about what moves are being made here we can make the connections we need to network with other cities. Suddenly you’re a part of the town hall meetings and because of the area you live eventually you are the liaison with the local police and you are the direct shotcaller for how they might deal with the homeless population, which gives you the opportunity to meet with the mayor to discuss how budgeting for services would actually reduce the total cost and whatever other stuff to get less cops and alleviate the homeless. Again, not totally BS here as my dad is in progress, hopefully, accomplishing just this. Living here for almost 20 years and have been making calls to our P.D. monthly the whole time - break-ins, day thefts, assaults, my dead end road, my parents, and I have seen a lot. It sucks being an activist and needing to have a relationship with the police, but it’s them or actual bigger issues. But now after all that time, the last couple years my dad has been consistently going to town hall meetings and speaking up about the problems that we have (re: crime, unchecked drug abuse and lack of services). Just a year before that our city passed something that made it so police can’t make people leave private property, which is mostly good, but even in situations where they’d started fires, which is really bad. Normally I’d support CalTrain land being freely camped on, but using it as an open bonfire during fire season is not the way to do it. Anyway, if this proposal is well received and seems viable to our city then it could be a program that becomes more widely adopted.

    So from my experience, the healthy balance between staying informed and doomscrolling is to not doomscroll if it’s stopping you from helping. You don’t even need to stay informed as you will most likely see and hear all the same things just through your daily routine if there’s a TV with news, a phone with a web browser, or a newspaper with a headline. I’m not saying don’t read them when you come across them, I’m saying why actively seek out problems from afar, especially when we can be the solution to problems right in front of us. The best way to have a healthy balance is to get involved in your local community. You have a public school that probably needs help, an extracurricular that gives a child something to look forward to and sets them on a good path, a local library that wants readers, a person who wants to work but just needs a little assistance. There’s hundreds of problems all around you, including your own. Why worry about whatever Egypt or Venezuela or our climate? Make the changes to the things you have an affect on directly and let yourself be healthy enough to accomplish them. If doomscrolling or staying on top of every little thing paralyzes you then you will accomplish more by avoiding them entirely.

    I’m doing something where I can when I can. Personally I think that matters more than trying to know about every tragedy. It’s sad, but we live in the age where almost anything that happens can be answered with, “which one?” Rather than getting caught up in that cycle, I aim to try and break it by simply being present in the moment and doing what needs to be done to prevent other things from collapsing. Don’t be reactive but aim to be proactive, and don’t fall into the trap where being proactive is trying to show just how aware of everything wrong with the world you are. You’ve already talked about how that cycle hasn’t worked for you.

    It doesn’t work for anyone.

    Stay positive friend, and spread it.

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      I especially appreciate the time you spent typing out this response!

      I am a little confused about one part.

      The balance is finding ways to engage in your local community. Work or volunteer at the library or a non-profit performing arts center, get involved in the bills that are being proposed for your city and fight for them if they’re worth it and fight against them if they’re not. Change starts locally. We may be inspired to hear about the people of Hong Kong, but if we don’t actually do anything about our local problems then why are we cheering them on? Oh good, at least someone somewhere is doing something? Do your schools have funding for arts? Mine do not, so if kinds want to learn music or theater they have to do it as an extracurricular. These places are normally non-profit, heavily volunteer sponsored and are chronically understaffed. If you don’t like kids, senior facilities, hell the entire caregiving field if you don’t like old people either!

      I feel the bolded part was leading into something, maybe another thought. As it stands, it’s placed right after a way to help that involves children, far away from the sentences near the start of the paragraph that are ways to help that are less connected to children and the elderly (get involved with local politics, volunteer at/support the library and nonprofit performing arts). So I’m confused about what you’re trying to say with that bolded sentence. Would you mind elaborating?

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        Oh haha! I was mostly joking but I think I didn’t finish the thought when I was editing it. I was trying to say it’s okay to not like kids or old people and it doesn’t mean anything about you or that you’re unable to help somewhere. My partner works in caregiving and recently had been getting burnt out and has been feeling bad about it, and while those feelings are valid she isn’t an awful person for getting burnt out from a taxing field.

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    I feel you.

    I collected competing websites that measure bias, reliability, and fact checking. Then I used them to narrow down my sources to the most reliable and centerline. My collection of sites and info (check the menu for more related resources) https://www.mediabiasmap.com

    If you wanted to read about my approach and findings read the about:

    https://www.mediabiasmap.com/about

    Short and sweet summary?

    1. Read one of the news wires for general world and national knowledge (AFP, Reuters, AP, UPI, etc).
    2. Read investigative local news for local stuff.
    3. Read the news 3 times per week (kinda like a scheduled workout). This can help limit the doom scrolling.

    Personally I like AP for general awareness, RollCall for US congressional stuff, and my city’s paper for local news.

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    It’s something I struggle with a lot, too. I stay away from feeds and aggregates for the most part because they tend to have the most attention grabbing (ragebaut, despairbait, what have you) and just browse a handful of news sites when I want to get an idea of what’s happening at home and around the world.

    To keep from doomscrolling/binge reading despair, I limit my browsing to just an hour or two in the morning (or on lunch break, downtime at work) ever couple of days or so, unless there’s a specific event that I want to follow (like Eurovision, Ukraine war update, my local election results, wildfire update etc).

    I use Ground.news to see sources’ factuality/credibility and biases, and scope out topics and sources of interest.

    Grist.org focuses on environmental news and are pretty consistent about having some kind of meaningful, forward -facing conclusion in their articles. Usually in the form of ways everyday folks like you or me can contribute/participate, steps toward long term solutions, that kind of thing. Personally find these additions to be helpful in lessening the aftertaste of despair I’m usually left with whenevet I read the news…

    I guess my advice is 1. moderation and 2. quality sources. Easier said than done, I know, but… Good luck 🐝

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    I’ve got an app called SmartNews that pulls news from lots of different sources and aggregates them. My feed is set up to pull news only from the front pages of AP and Reuters - which seem to be mostly unbiased sources that both sides get info from for their articles and they use unbiased titles. I skim to the end of my feed (which isn’t very long, maybe 20-30 articles) read a half dozen of them, and that’s my news for the day. Every other media source has news and politics 100% filtered out.

    I feel like it’s enough info for informed decisions and topical conversations with my coworkers, but not so much that I dwell on news in my off time.

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    A lot of the news going on in the world doesn’t affect your life every day. That’s my reasoning. But it’s good to know what’s going on and file it away.