Just a side note - I would caution about directing non-Black folks to spaces like # BlackMastodon and @ blackfedi, just because those spaces might not be intentioned for non-Black people to look at, directing us there might be encouraging our participation in spaces where it’s not necessarily invited or wanted, etc. Great spaces to direct Black folks to if they’re looking to build a community for themselves on fedi, but I would just say it’s best for non-Black people to not look/participate unless the space is specifically inviting that.

The other thing about the “just listen more to more Black people” discourse is that while it may fix representational issues of whom you’re choosing to listen to, it won’t help if there’s no intention to work on racial biases or challenge one’s own racist behaviors - so I would even implore that type of introspective work. Connected to that would be, even if a white person starts doing these things and working on this practice, that work of interrogating your own biases/behaviors never stops. I feel that white people (especially on fedi) often need reminding that just because you’re doing X, Y, Z, etc. doesn’t mean that you’re done working on your own racism or that your reasons for doing X, Y, Z, etc. are all genuine.

You might also want to mention how having some marginalized identity even as a white person doesn’t excuse you from doing this work - there’s a lot of harm done on fedi by people who use their own oppressed identities as a way to avert accountability for being racist. In your piece, you already mentioned that supporting Black people and fighting anti-Blackness means supporting all Black people - you could make that understanding of how anti-Blackness is interconnected/intertwined with other oppressions more apparent by appealing to white people who might consider themselves staunch advocates for other communities but refuse to confront racism.

This is kind of a mess of different comments but those are just my raw thoughts after reading what you wrote.

Thank you for your service, coyotino

Look, I understand where you’re coming from and what you’re saying, but please bring down the temperature in your comments, even if others seem pedantic or nitpicking to you.

You’re welcome to express your opinion and agree or disagree with others as you see fit, but when you do so please remember the human on the other end of the discussion. There’s no need for picking unnecessary fights with others or being overly antagonistic, and we’re seeing a pattern of these threads you’re involved in getting really heated.

A country born by old white men which will die by old white men. Begins with a revolution to sever ties with a monarchy, ends with a coup to bring it back. We are truly coming full circle. 🤡

Asked if anything could convince him that he was on track to lose to Trump and should step down, Biden responded with a smile: “It depends on if the Lord Almighty comes down and tells me that, I might do that.”

Sir, the Lord Almighty better come down and take you back with him. Take Trump too, while he’s at it.

After that debate and all the things he’s said since, Biden’s image is at an all-time low. As ableist and ageist as it is, people think he’s a senile old man in the late stages of cognitive decline, with no business running a government. I doubt he or his campaign are going to do what they need to do to overcome that perception, and I doubt the Democratic Party will make the right calls either. “Decades of civil service” and “somewhat better than Trump” etc. are not going to be enough.

damn, who could’ve possibly seen that coming? 🫥

saddam hussein is in there twisting my bones. i should be gripping rat

finally getting more time off from work versus the 60-70 hour weeks i was pulling before, so i started participating in a game jam and trying to have a presence on fedi again.

There is no should or shouldn’t, they’ve always had and been entitled to that choice. People who develop and host those platforms can make whatever choice they want.

ActivityPub/the Fediverse is only a protocol. If you philosophically disagree with how a platform makes use of that protocol, then you can (theoretically) just use another platform.

Hey, although it’s no big deal since this is also about Lemmy, there’s a megathread for all Reddit-related news and discussion here. We’ve been encouraging everyone to direct most discussion related to Reddit there, and I figured it might be worthwhile to pose this question there since it concerns a former 3PA for Reddit. Thanks!

As a reminder, there’s a megathread about all Reddit-related news here - please direct all discussion about Reddit there. Thanks!

I have a lot of mixed feelings about Spotify’s UI choices, but I guess this is what Spicetify is for. 😅

I agree - my main reason for sharing with this post in particular is because the tie-in it has with Beehaw’s recent decision to, at least temporarily, defederate with .world and sh.itjust.works; I just found the framing about decentralization, esp. the fact that the Fediverse is not a monolithic entity mandating a uniformly aligned approach, useful.

On the whole, I do think either ActivityPub’s protocol spec would need some kind of privacy revision, seeing as it’s already been a Problem where microblogging admins have had to block access by servers dedicated to mirroring Mastodon posts which don’t delete their copies after posts are deleted by the user, or the software itself, Lemmy in our case, will have to make adjustments to its implementation of federation like you said. Of course, I’m mostly just conjecturing here and I don’t actually know what either of these might look like 😅

The main part of this which I problematize are the people who are sticking their necks out for Meta and suggesting instances shouldn’t be quick to defederate because this is, supposedly, a good opportunity to bring federated social media into the mainstream. Yet, in my opinion, they’re not making enough of the fact that, even with their open-source contributions, Meta’s software manufactures discord and bigotry on a massive scale. Letting them federate with an instance opens floodgates on that and for the stealing and selling of Fediverse participants’ data.

It doesn’t feel empty to me, personally (just thought I’d be clear that this is only my opinion) but it is definitely somewhat slower than Reddit or some of the other Lemmy and Kbin instances that are out there. IMO, I think a lot of people coming to Beehaw who’re acculturated to Big Social or Big Social-ish experiences are inevitably disappointed with the amount of content because it’s not a massive stream of content being funneled into your feed anymore.

But I’ve been on the Fediverse (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.) for about four years now and gotten used to the slower flow, that going to Reddit or some other Lemmy instances or Twitter now feels like I’m drowning or being inundated/overwhelmed with content which flows faster than I can give a due-diligence response to. Either I could say nothing, just vote, write a one-off low-effort response, get in a heated debate, or try to take the time to write something more thoughtful (and then by the time I was done with that, the moment would already have past or I’d get some smart-ass reply that would end the engagement for me). Plus there are some concessions involved in getting all that content delivered to you.

Some people like that but it’s just not really for me anymore, it doesn’t feel healthy. I like being able to slow down and actually talk to people, and I like that I can trust I’ll see them again later. I like that I can post something and no matter whether it’s popular or not, someone will engage, even if it takes time.

On the other part, I don’t really understand how no downvotes is a “weird” decision; it’s definitely not uncommon considering some of the subreddits I participated in on Reddit did the same thing. But in any event, Beehaw does have some posts/comments around explaining the reason for certain choices.

Yeah, as of right now, the only thing users can do is individually block users or specific communities.

I’m glad that you’re enjoying your experience on Beehaw though! Even on the admin end there’s still not a lot of granular control, but hopefully, the explosion of users will help bring more attention to Lemmy’s development.

Yeah, I checked the Github and there are a few open issues right now labeled ‘enhancements’ and ‘federation’ which talk about how posts from Mastodon (and other software) should be displayed on Lemmy and vice versa. So it’s at least on the radar and a known problem from the Lemmy side.

Honestly the biggest problem for me with reading Lemmy threads from the Mastodon end is exactly what the OP said, but I have no clue if Eugen plans to change how post threads are displayed in timelines on Mastodon and its forks.

Based on some other link posts I’ve seen on Beehaw, I’d thought this was already the expectation. 🤭

Good thing to point out and intentionally encourage, regardless.

Personally, I don’t think replacement should be the goal. As others have said, a better, more likely outcome is that the Fediverse become a viable alternative to big social media (in the eyes of the public) & an influential part of the ecosystem.

And anyways, the Fediverse is a solution for me - and others, presumably - but it probably won’t be the solution for social media influencers, terminally online political provocateurs, people stuck in the endless, algorithmic (and psychologically manipulative) stream of ‘content’ which Big Social offers, advertisers, etc. As long as people have those sorts of relationships to social media and as long as capitalism and consumerism exist, big social media platforms will always be around to capitalize on that and fill that niche.

Plus, the barrier to entry for the Fediverse is technical skill, which has impeded its accessibility to the broader public. While making the Fediverse more accessible and cultivating that technical skill and know-how in the public are both things I support, I appreciate the more intentional social media communities which are forming around here and are able to grow sustainably quite possibly because it’s harder for the average person to wrap their head around. It reminds me a lot of the older days of the internet.

The best thing for that, IMO, is for the Fediverse to continually exist in its decentralized state and provide unique examples of how social media could be, for it to keep growing slowly, for average people to come here of their own volition, see how things are here, and decide on their own that they want to be part of it.

Are there any hosting providers for Lemmy yet, like Masto.host and Spacebear offer for other federated software?