Esk 🐌⚡💜 (@esk@hachyderm.io)
hachyderm.io
@thisismissem @mekkaokereke @dma so stats, based on dec 2024 exit run rate (rounded for simplicity): #hachyderm costs about $1600/mo to run. this is up somewhat, as we've started to add some infra as part of our resilience plan announced in nov. we currently have about: - 55000 users - 9700 MAU - 3.7M toots yielding: - $.03/user/mo - $.16/active user/mo - $.0004/toot from a raw compute & storage perspective. again, this is based on 100% volunteer work. today, our mods and infra folk graciously donate their time to keep this thing going. hypothetically, if we paid them, say, $120k USD/yr (chose this to make the math cleaner), that would add $10k/person/mo to the cost. if we go with a staff of eight (mix of mod & infra), that adds $80k/mo to the run rate, for a total of $81,600/mo, yielding: - $1.48/user/mo - $8.41/active user/mo - the toot figure is silly, so i'm not calculating it again :blobfoxlaugh: orders of magnitude of difference. we could argue about the staff size - i went with roughly what we have today and assumed we made everyone full time so they could hachy for 32/hr/wk vs. calculating the number of hours we actually work. e.g. maybe we could it out at ~$4.50/user/mo, but still a multiple orders of magnitude bump from the raw infra cost.
  • rglullisOPAEnglish
    711·
    23 hours ago

    Paging @rikudou@lemmings.world so that he can see why my service offered for $29/year is actually quite a bargain.

    • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.worldEnglish
      8·
      15 hours ago

      Dude, just get over it. I think you’re charging more than you should, I’m not gonna change my mind if you tag me.

      Especially if I can see just from the scale and price that it’s not cost-optimized, they simply hit the scale where they need to get smarter about optimization, just throwing money at the problem is no longer there.

      Comparing your small-scale service to that is dishonest.

      • rglullisOPAEnglish
        12·
        13 hours ago

        they simply hit the scale where they need to get smarter about optimization,

        Read again, because it seems you are refusing to understand.

        Optimizing the hardware/server part is completely irrelevant. The operational costs are less than 3 cents per user, it’s the labor of the people working there that is going unaccounted.

        your small-scale service

        You are going at this backwards. My service is “small scale” because most people are still expecting to have social media offered to them for free, or at best they think that the labor should be free and that the only thing “worth to be paid for” is the server. And because there are still so many people who are willing to run instances for fun/as a hobby, they are effectively pricing their own work at zero dollars, and then of course others will flock to those instances.

        So, yes, of course we can not compare my service with the larger instances, because these instances are effectively operating at a loss and they just don’t care about it.