“Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. After parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016 she’s at it again,” DNC spokesman Matt Corridoni said in a statement to The Bulwark. “Jill Stein won’t become president, but her spoiler candidacy—that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest in—can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.”

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          The problem is that “support genocide” is being used overly broadly.

          The stated policy of the Biden/Harris administration is that Israel has a right to defend itself.

          Surprise! They do. Every sovereign nation has that right.

          As a result of that stated policy, Biden and Harris both support providing weapons and funding for the continual defense of Israel.

          https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/g-s1-19232/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-dnc

          So follow me here:

          1. Israel has a right to defend itself.
          2. The US will support that defense.

          Where it breaks down is Bibi and Likud taking that defensive support and directing it into the Genocide.

          That’s on THEM. The United States is making a good faith effort to provide support for the defense of Israel. Israel is intentionally misapplying that support.

          Trump’s stated policy is that Israel needs to kill everyone quicker.

          https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d

          “They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”

          Only one of these two policies is pro-genocide, Trumps.

          Biden/Harris is pro-defense which is illegitimately being used for genocide, not at all the same as being pro-genocide.

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            So is your argument that the Biden/Harris administration is blind, or stupid?

            If I give my kid an AR-15 and they shoot up a school, I may or may not be culpable.

            But if I hand them another AR after the first shooting, they kill again, and then I give them another, and another, and keep handing them weapons for months, and theres a pile of 15,000 dead children, then I am definitely culpable.

            It doesn’t matter how many times I tell the kid “this AR is for defense only”.

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      LOL ok, you’re cool with throwing your vote away

      that doesn’t mean anyone else is obliged to waste time “rationalizing” NOT throwing their vote away to you

      do what you want. just know that your third party vote did NOTHING for palestine. and NOTHING for anyone else either.

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        Telling someone they are throwing away their vote because they won’t support your team is right wing authoritarian voter suppression.

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          “Teams” don’t enter into it.

          One candidate poses an existential threat to our country and way of life.

          One other candidate can defeat them.

          Taking a vote away from the 2nd candiadate has the same net effect as voting for the first one.

          You either help beat Trump or you help elect him. A 3rd party will not win, so voting 3rd party doesn’t help beat Trump.

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        I wish it meant we did nothing for palestine. Instead of it meaning bombs and funding continues to pour into the arms of the country thats killing them.

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            Nah im voting for a candidate that has not voted to arm and fund an ongoing genocide.

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              LOL aka throwing your fucking vote away

              i’m not telling anyone how to vote. i’m just saying that a vote for third party is a vote that goes straight in the fucking trash

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              And helping Trump who wants to accelerate that same genocide while starting another one here at home.

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      Why do you love Trump so much you’re trying so hard to get him into power?