The belief that Israel’s actions amount to apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide are “worthy of respect in a democratic society”, an employment tribunal has concluded in a landmark decision.
The belief that Israel’s actions amount to apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide are “worthy of respect in a democratic society”, an employment tribunal has concluded in a landmark decision.
This isnt anti zionism though. This is just anti genocide or simply humanism. Anti zionism is most likely calling for an other genocide or you better come with a solid plan to relocate millions of israelian that will not move.
That’s an awful lot of words to say “I don’t know what Zionism is”
Anti-zionism isn’t opposition to Israel or Israelis existing. It’s opposition to Israel existing as a colonial apartheid ethnostate that oppresses everyone not of the favored ethnicity and religion.
Did you check the first reference to the article you linked. There is a less modern , more widely used prior definition that just explain what zionism is. Zionism is just thinking israel as a state can exist. If you oppose the existance of a state with one of the strongest military in the world , chance is you might have to fight some people. Maybe you guys dont agree on the same definition of zionism. Antisemitism seems to do that. I cant care less about israel existing or not , or is it legitimate. Im just saying they arnt going to agree to leave their country. You guys are delusionnal.
And yes . By EVERY DEFINITION, really every, antizionnism oppose the state of israelnas a concept. Two state solution still imply zionism. You guys discovered this conflict last years and still need some catch up.
Nope. That’s what AIPAC, ADL, and other de facto Israeli government agencies want people to think so they can tar everyone who’s against the genocidal apartheid state as the genocidal ones.
I specifically said that that’s not what anti-zionism is. Are you just going to ignore everything I tell you that doesn’t fit your Hasbara gaslighting narrative?
Because your definition is a gross oversimplification used for propaganda purposes and doesn’t describe what we’re against.
And there we go with the “being against the actions of the state of Israel must mean you hate all Jewish people” bullshit.
You know what’s ACTUALLY antisemitic? Conflating all Jewish people with a fascist apartheid regime that many if not most Jewish people don’t approve of, let alone consider themselves represented by it.
Nobody is asking them to. Please stow your army of strawmen.
This you?
That’s just flat out false. Zionism is a political ideology, not a country.
You might as well say that republicanism (in the original definition of “against monarchy”) is opposition to the states of England, Denmark, and Spain existing.
Bitch, please. I’ve been arguing for the human rights of Palestinians and against the atrocities of the fascist apartheid regime since before the Oslo Accords. I bet you weren’t even alive back then, based on the level of maturity you’re displaying.
Point by point argument only make sense if you bring some evidence to your claim. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism
The definition seems to make different sense depending who read it. It appear that we cant even come to an agreement about the foundation of our argument. I dont advocate for an israel state , i dont think it was particulary fair as a decision , i would be antizionnist by this definition. But ultimately i dont care enough to choose a side because i heard about this conflict from my early childhood and it never trully changed.
But my point is more anti zionnism is by definition , originaly, historicaly and etymologicaly ; anti israel. And if you want a two state solution you accept the existense of a zionist state. So you cant be anti zionnist and for a two state solution. As for your age and your militantism you cant bullshit anyone. There is no way someone so deep into this modern rhetoric would have an history of following this conflict. 15 years ago anti zionnist was asking for the end of israel and it was possible to still make a difference with antisemitism. Even though it was more of a conceptual stance as everyone agreed about the implication. Now the separation is way more blurry with modern polarization of opinion.
I still dont see what is the possible outcome of this conflict if we start reconsidering the existence of israel as an ethnostate. You are basically cornering ideological radicalized zealot into a total war solution. They have a lot of power and will use it to serve their ideology. And it isnt even a two state solution. You seems to think this world will somve this issue peacefully when both side are radicalized beyond any turning point.
Thanks for the strawman, it’s getting cold so I can use it for fuel.
Anti genocide became inherently anti zionism when zionists decided that genocide would be their tool to reclaim the holy land.
Ya remember that genocide after the apartheid South African state fell and was transformed into a state for everyone? That’s why you don’t see any South Africans nowadays. And they certainly never clog up my news, technology, and politics feeds with their inane opinions and dumb-looking trucks…
Exactly this, same with the Good Friday accords. There’s always a political solution available, and if it’s actually acceptable to both sides, they won’t feel they need to resort to terrorism.
If you gave Palestinians an actually viable country, they’d accept that.
I generally agree, but we should remember that there are always going to be a small number of fringe elements in any large population. Even the perfect mostly peaceful transition to a two-state solution would still involve some violence from various militants, because that’s what some people (ideally not too many people) out there want, and they’re always going to want it.
And if there is still (now domestic) terrorism you handle it like a normal country and not by bombing everything to ashes.
No, that isn’t anti-zionism. Calling for the end of an ethnostate does not require the expulsion, relocation, or death of folks who are currently citizens of that state.
Bro they have one of the strongest military on earth and are properly radicalized. How do you think they are going to take it ?is everyone a lunatic there or just completely naive ?
Well, in reality it will, of course, come to that. But you’re right that hypothetically there could be other ways
What you should have said was nothing.