2016 called. They want Hillary’s campaign back.
This is stupid. How about you make a play for disenchanted progressives who actually could be convinced to vote for you? Republicans are not going to vote for Harris in any great numbers. The evidence is in the fact that every republican who has come out to support Harris is retired from politic life either by choice or by having been voted out by the rabid faction that makes up the vast bulk of the republican base. Republican voters make up about 30% of eligible voters and democrats make up another ~30%. How about you go after the 40% that sit between the two groups by making it worth their while to get off the couch and go vote?
Because progressives are probably smart enough to know why they need to vote for Harris instead of letting fascism keep them on their couch
The thing is progressive policy gets the votes Harris is chasing here too
When Obama flipped red ststaes in 08 it wasn’t because progressives turned out, because progressives always turn out.
He flipped red states by flipping moderate voters with progressive policy.
While moderates have favored the Democratic candidate in each of the past five elections, Barack Obama gained the support of more voters in the ideological “middle” than did either John Kerry or Al Gore before him. He won at least half the votes of independents (52% vs. 49% for Kerry), suburban voters (50% vs. 47% for Kerry), Catholics (54% vs. 47% for Kerry), and other key swing groups in the electorate.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2008/11/05/inside-obamas-sweeping-victory/
And that’s even with the PUMA movement Clinton’s campaign started to get Dems to vote for Kerry.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_United_Means_Action
Even if we lose some votes, progressive policy is a net gain.
because progressives always turn out.
Do they? I thought they were one of the more unreliable demographics.
President Bernie Sanders tends to agree with you.
Nope, feel free to luck up any exit polling
How about you go after the 40% that sit between the two groups by making it worth their while to get off the couch and go vote?
They can’t or won’t because their bread is buttered by the same people buttering the bread of Republicans: rich donors and SuperPACs.
They don’t honestly need that butter. They need to wake up and realize that there are enough small dollar donors out there to make up for any big dollar donors they lose. Look at how much Bernie Sanders raked in from small donors by courting progressives.
They don’t want to have to put in the work. They want that easy money. DC is like a fucking casino and nobody wants the money-train to end.
Actually standing up for constituents takes the real work of politics. Just shrugging and doing whatever Bezos told you for a cool half a mill is so much easier.
Half the time legislation is literally actually written by lobbyists, not legislators. They don’t even have to write the bill! The work is done for them! Voters, on the other hand, will expect results!
…for a cool half a mill
Oh, you sweet summer child. They are so very much cheaper than that. Most of the pols in DC can be bought for tens of thousands or even just thousands of dollars. No need to get into six figures.
I actually aimed low in respect to what I was speaking about, which is stuff like SuperPACs.
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/16/musk-trump-donation-america-pac-republican-mega-donor
Musk gave Trump $75 million in one go because laws don’t apply to the rich.
The rest of us have real legal limits on what we can give.
And if those Bernie dollars had turned into votes maybe she’d be going after them. Also, Bernie endorsed her.
All the “progressives” in Congress endorsed her. Guess that’s not enough, eh?
Why wouldn’t they?
And endorsement doesn’t mean someone has zero room for improvement and they agree on everything.
It just means they’re the best available option
When Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala, did you think they agree on everything?
The evidence is in the fact that every republican who has come out to support Harris is retired from politic life either by choice or by having been voted out by the rabid faction that makes up the vast bulk of the republican base.
Your evidence shows that Republicans whose careers no longer depend on Trump are the ones who can be convinced to turn on him. The same is true of many (formerly) Republican voters.
This is stupid. How about you make a play for disenchanted progressives who actually could be convinced to vote for you?
Democrats would rather lose democracy forever than treat progressives like constituents with agency.
I would very much like to argue with you, but I have nothing to support such an argument. :(
That’s just the argument you constantly complain about turned on its head.
Progressives who dont vote for Harris are even dumber than Republicans. Not sure if talking to them would help since they would need to stop focussing on breathing just to listen to you.
There are plenty of people in the area between the two extremes who support progressive policies, while not considering themselves progressives, but are not sufficiently motivated to bother voting because neither candidate is explicitly supporting those policies. Those are the votes that are available. Those are the people she should be convincing, not low hanging republican fruit.
I know plenty of Republicans in my family who like progressive ideas. Even racists love Bernie and his pro-worker stance. It’s a good play to take Trump voters and turn them into Harris ones. Progressives will already vote. Leftists who are only about one issue probably won’t, and that’s not a big deal.
If only a Democratic candidate could focus on exciting the fucking base instead of trying to become Republican-lite to capture Republican votes. Maybe you’d shatter turnout by actually getting your voters excited, instead of constantly reminding them how ready they are as a party to pander to the unhinged, cruel fucking freaks in the Republican party.
Would be great if she would energize her own side at some point. There’s too much at stake for her to be kowtowing fascists
“Disenchanted Republicans” aren’t the fascists. They’re the ones who don’t want to vote for the fascists, but have been swayed by fifty years of Republican propaganda to be uncomfortable voting for Democrats.
If you want to de-polarize this country, reaching these people is vital. They need to start realizing they have to vote for ideas not parties.
Maybe if we had a more representative electoral system, the republicans could have the option of a more moderate political party. US too, thanks.
Yes, but she shouldn’t do it at the expense of her own side, which she currently is. Low democrat turnout is going to do her in at this rate.
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