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Summary
Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign has reignited fears among undocumented migrants with promises of “mass deportations” and migrant communities are bracing for uncertainty and a new wave of nativism.
His administration plans to target those deemed public safety or national security threats, potentially reinstating workplace raids and using military resources.
Advocates warn that “collateral arrests” could sweep up migrants without criminal records.
Many, like “Dreamers” protected under DACA, fear family separations, while others, such as Carlos in NYC, hope Trump’s economic policies might benefit them.
“A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too,” said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.
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“A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too,” said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.
So long, Carlos.
Carlos can’t vote, but a majority of both Latino men and Latino women voted for Kamala.
The only majority that voted for Trump is white people.
“A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy.”
I think you missed this part.
That’s what I was responding to. Carlos is explaining why more Latino voters voted for Trump than last election cycles. A majority of both Latino men and women voted for Harris though.
Trump was talking about the economy while Harris was busy pivoting to the right and embracing dick Cheney and her CEO’s
Harris lost more voters from this pivot than she gained from trying to cozy up to literal republicans.
Yes, I assume Trump was lying about how he will help people by fixing the economy, but at least he was lying about the issues that these voters had at the top of their list of priorities. Harris wouldn’t even lie to address any issues her base cares about.
As someone posted in another thread, the mass deportations of Mexicans in the late 1920s/early 1930s ended up deporting American born Mexicans as well. So yeah, America deported actual American citizens because they didn’t care or couldn’t be bothered to check papers or whatever. Who’s to say that isn’t going to happen this time around?
Also, Trump said Latinos have a “murder gene,” so he already thinks they’re all criminals of some sort.
They will grab anyone they can get their hands on. Criminals will have the advantage that they know how to hide, and there are way more non-criminals, so Jose Average will be picked first, being the easiest target to fulfill the quota.
Also while some peoples definition of criminal is “murderer” or similar some peoples definition is closer to "you did or a relative did something not 100% legal in the last generation or two.
edit: some peoples definition of criminal will definitely include unhoused or non-land owning eventually
Aren’t criminals already being deported if they are caught? He was clear that he is after immigrants (in some speeches illegal, but in some even legal)
How can anyone listen to Trump’s racist rants about shit hole countries and walk away thinking “he doesn’t mean me”? He absolutely means you. There’s about to be a whole lot of faces meeting some very hungry leopards.
What part of “mass deportations” do people not understand? Trump told us what he’s going to do. His cabinet pick told us what he’s going to do. They’re going to do it.
The trump admin couldn’t be bothered to keep the children and parents together while caging immigrants last time–why would anyone expect him to differentiate the legals from the illegals?
They made “migrating” a crime, so, yeah, leopards…face…
Very foolish people. Get ready to find a new home.
My face is too good looking to be eaten by the face eating leopards!
Ummmmm Conservatives already see them as criminals because they are here “illegal”. By default all undocumented migrants are criminals.
Trump also said he’d aggressively deport and sort through the mistakes later. He’s going to deport legal immigrants too, and I very much doubt they’ll let them back in without an extensive legal battle. Which will never move forward because he’ll intentionally starve the court system (like congress already did at his order) so that realistically, they will never get through the system.
Great fucking job giving Nazis free reign, you stupid, stupid, evil fuckers. You had a choice to fight nazis when it was easy. Just a vote. But you chose nazis, one way or another.
Ohhhhh I agree with you for the most part. But the last part?! Who exactly are you referring to as you? If you are chastising Democratic leadership 100% Anyone else other than literally Nazie’s (aka Trump, JD, the majority of RNC members and leaders, and some of their voters), shouldn’t be blamed.
Obviously, this statement was not targeting you specifically. “You” is targeted towards Trump voters and non-voters.
We knew what was on the ballot. I don’t care that the DNC could have done better. When the choice is “meh” vs literal Nazis, you’re a damn nazi if you didn’t vote directly against them.
I’m fucking done mincing words after voters gave them the House, Senate, POTUS, and all the god damn courts.
First off, before I continue. I voted blue.
But it’s naive to not see voting as transactional. Even more so when major issues face America and humanity, has tested and proven solutions.
For example, Healthcare. The solution to America’s Healthcare crisis is Universal health care. With the middle ground between Universal and fully private is the public option. Neither party would even entertain the notion of a public opinion. The Democratic party could have secured millions of votes if they added public option or universal to their platform. They knew this. All the polling said those were overwhelming popular positions to have. It’s poor leadership and poor advising that kept Harris from having that.
Several polls and Arab, Palestinian, and liberal organizations told the party, that not having a concrete plan to save Palestinian lives would cost Harris millions of votes. It’s poor leadership and advising to not have Palestinian sovereignty and return to post ww2 boarders as part of the campaign. It’s not like Christian evangelicals and zionest were going to vote blue anyways? So why not appeal to your base and a large voting demographic?
I can go on with several other progressive topics. (education, military spending, justice reform, foreign policy, wealth redistribution, climate, money on politics, ect.) So many progressive solutions to very real problems were never addressed or openly opposed by Democrats. The only downside to taking up those causes would have been money from top donors.
Voting is inherently transactional and will always be that way. For “my” vote your platform must have zxy and you must try to get as close to xyz as possible. If you don’t have xyz why should I vote for you? You don’t care about my issues and values, why should I care about yours. It’s the world we live in. Either the democrats take up a full progressive agenda or they’ll continue to lose in the most critical time in human history.
If you don’t have xyz why should I vote for you?
because in an effectively two party system where neither party has xyz you should definitely vote for the party that also aren’t nazi’s ?
The degree of closeness to your ideal of progressive policies doesn’t mean shit when the choice is nazi’s vs not nazi’s.
Unless you are arguing that those weren’t the choices available here ?
Yes everyone understands all that. But are you saying we people that vote blue should keep trying the same failing tactics?
If our strategies (manly from leadership and keyboard warriors) keeps failing against literal Nazies, shouldn’t we change tactics?!
What other options do we have!? Keep openly ignoring solutions that the majority of Americans want? Or go crying about the none voters that feel the is no party representing them?
You don’t like it but look around!
Seriously, what why do you think the none nazi party can get more votes? Times running out and we are losing! Either come up with another answer or keep saying things that obviously lost us an election to Nazies.
Support Universal health care or get the Nazies again. What side are you on?
Support a 2 state solution in Palestine or get the Nazies again. What side are you on?
Support redistribution of wealth or get the Nazies again. What side are you on?
Support the removal of money in politics or get the Nazies again. What side are you on?
Support justice system reform or get the Nazies again. What side are you on?
If you expect a different result with what we’ve been doing than we truly are doomed. What’s the definition of insanity again?
Smokers hope cancer reaches only ‘bad people’
Anyone that thinks that it’s going to be only ‘criminals’ that get deported forget that crossing the border without documentation is a crime. Yeah, it’s a misdemeanor, but it’s still a crime, and the Trump administration is still going to deport them when they can.
Adjudicating whether or not someone is guilty of a crime, or in the US illegally, requires a trial. Doing that for millions of people all of a sudden within a system that’s already backed up by more than a year is completely impossible.
In other words, they are absolutely talking about deporting innocent people of the wrong ethnicity without any attempt at due process, and anyone who thinks different is living in a dream world. And then, once they’re done with that batch, they plan to move on to other classes of undesirables.
requires a trial.
Not for people that are undocumented. People that are not in the us legally get hearings, but that’s policy rather than law, IIRC. Due process gets a little weird here, because the process in question isn’t a matter of law or the constitution.
Regardless - it’s not going to go well for anyone that thinks that he doesn’t mean them.
The denaturalization concept–stripping naturalized citizens of citizenship–is fa, far scarier than deportation. Once you can strip citizenship from a naturalized citizen, and once you’ve eliminated birthright citizenship, you’ve got a roadmap for stripping citizenship from anyone.
Due process gets a little weird here
That’s a strange way to say “asylum seekers don’t have rights because they’re not legally considered people by US law”…
You’re right, I should have said “requires a hearing.”
It looks like there are less legal protections in place than I thought, and the “justice system” that’s holding the trial is provided by the DOJ. So you do get a hearing, but Trump has even more ability to make it into an unapologetic horror than I thought he did. That’s not good.
Maybe they’re going to hold them under detention while trying millions and millions of people. Might need to build new detention facilities, of course, some kind of camps where they can concentrate the population. It’s going to take a long time too, so in the name of government efficiency they can lease them out to businesses and farms for labor while they await their trials. Work sets you free.
These camps will probably be right out side of huge fields and factories that way they can work while awaiting trial. Work hard enough and please your master and you might even get to stay here. Of course not as a free man.
It always amazes me when people, even leftists, come up with arguments like „he won’t have enough judges to deport that many people“ or „camps need supplies. How would you do that in such a short amount of time for so many immigrants?“.
These are plans by the same people that took children from their parents and put them into cages „supervised“ by thugs with batons. And they „lost“ a lot of kids in the process. And they bragged about it.
If the rule of law gets absolutely destroyed by mass deportations/internments it’s a feature, not a bug to them. You don’t need judges if you have enough thugs who „just follow orders“ „for the greater good“.
Likewise news of immigrants in camps lacking basic necessities, food and healthcare will just feed their lust for cruelty. And their base will be happy, because those immigrants „brought it upon themselves“, „can always go back to their home country if they don’t like it“ and „need to be a warning for others“.
Nothing good will come of it. People here in Germany also though that Hitler guy was a bit of a joke, failed his coup attempt, and things „would never get THAT bad“. Spoiler: it did. And then some.
I’m worried they’re going to start raiding schools and daycares as well in order to force parents to turn themselves in or just to be malicious. A lot of children are going to be separated from their parents.
That would be right in line with their normal behavior. Seeing how many children they kidnapped in the previous Trump administration.
you all understand this is about racism, right? this is a giant dog whistle for rounding up non-white people and getting them the fuck out of their white nationalist dream.
its not about crime, or which immigrants are good or bad. its about kicking out the brown peoples. its easy to manipulate racist voters. they are all ignorant cowards.
All those Muslim folks who voted for Trump to “punish” Harris are in for a rude awakening. This isn’t only about Hispanics.
I doubt there are a lot of illegal Muslims. Most “illegal” immigrants are from border countries.
Deporting our DACA immigrants would be really bad for the economy, talk about brain drain and also illegal immigrant workers who contribute more to the economy than they extract.
The leopards will be eating their own faces. I would need to look up numbers but fairly certain more republicans use illegal immigrant labor than democrats.
Also, the spite and told you so banter is kind of offensive. “My candidate lost so now you have to suffer the consequences,” it’s very childish and not very thoughtful or helpful.
Legal or illegal matters very little. During Operations Wetback 1 and 2, American citizens were rounded up as well as the illegal immigrants/foreign workers and deported to Mexico for “looking too Mexican,” and I’ve heard of at least one or two border towns that have done the same thing in the past 10 years (and crashed their economies doing it). I don’t expect Wetback 3 to go any differently other than probably targeting more minority communities besides Latinos.
And what do you expect people to do other than make exasperated “I told you this would happen” comments? It’s not like making comments on Lemmy will do anything when the dictator hasn’t even entered office yet and the only thing we can generally do anyways is whine to those in office to actually do something. There’s donating to various groups put in place to help minority communities, but that also has nothing to do with commenting on Lemmy.
We can acknowledge that Harris and the DNC really botched this election and discuss ways to makes changes going forward instead of pointing fingers at voters we want to vote on our side.
But I do hear you. It’s funny how serious we take ourselves here, armchair politicians who have all the solutions. It’s important to remember that it’s ok for us to be wrong about some things and laugh at ourselves. And to take a deep breath, and work towards solutions instead of berating people and pointing fingers. Point to Harris and the DNC. They lost this election and did everything in their power to do so.
i think there’s so much discourse about this since Latin men voted, on the whole, for trump. there is a non zero number of people who, if trump implements his border control plan, voted for their own deportation
Please stop spreading misinformation.
A supermajority of Latino voters voted for Kamala, including a majority of Latino men specifically.
The only groups that supported Trump with a majority are white people.
White people are the problem, not Hispanic and black voters.
didn’t mean to spread any misinformation. i still see in what you’ve sent me that latin men lag behind latin women by a significant margin voting about evenly between trump and harris
Yes majority was higher among women significantly.
More Latinos voted for Trump than in past elections.
I just keep seeing democrats trying to blame Latinos and blacks for their bad campaign.
Hope you’re having a good weekend 👍
thanks. you too. i see the failures as being mostly relating to misunderestimating the power of the right wing propaganda machine, even as the world over has gotten more authoritarian
The crazy thing about accusing Latinos of being sexist or racist is that Mexico currently has a female progressive president who is closer to Bernie than any other US politicians.
Trump was speaking to the economy, the thing that was highest priority for these voters. He may be lying his ass off, but he was talking about it. Meanwhile, Harris was talking about how happy she was to be supported by her 80 corporate CEO’s and going on and on about it being so exciting to have Dick and Liz Cheney’s support.
When Walz came into her campaign her lead skyrocketed, but then Kamala pivoted to the right, while Trump continued to talk about the economy. Bad move on her part.
Here in México we have a say that goes like:
The worst enemy of a mexican is another mexican
You connect the dots
also, white people dont own a monopoly on racism. some of the most racist people i know are also ‘legal’ immigrants of a minority population.
no one hates immigrants more than an immigrant who made it
i’ve heard that quote a few times. but i think it’s on the whole sadder:
no one hates the poor more than a poor person who thinks they made it
This is so true. I heard sooo many times from Latinos where I work after the first Trump election that they voted pro-Trump. The ones who are here who have managed to get citizenship look down on the ones who don’t have it. It’s like a flip of light switch.
Definitely the Republican mindset. I got mine, fuck everyone else!
