- cross-posted to:
- 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
- cross-posted to:
- 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
edit: As I’m seeing a lot of worry about the impact this will/could have on the community, please be assured we have the same mod team, and will be holding the community to the same standards. the same things that were always allowed will continue to be allowed and the same things that got things removed before will continue to get things removed before. Lemmy.world admins have agreed to allow us to run our community on our terms.
It is my pleasure to announce that effective immediately, we are transferring our community to Lemmy.world! This has been a few months in the making, so my entire mod team is already on board.
FAQ:
Why?
That’s a complicated question with a long answer! The primary difference is moderatorial and ideologial differences between my team and Ada’s excellent team of admins. We are on good terms with Ada and her team, and have gotten her consent to do this. In addition to this, we have had ongoing issues with federation and moderation that has caused a subpar experience for many people on other instances.
How does this work?
Currently, as there is not an easy way to transfer an entire community (trust me, we checked), we are locking the community as mod-only, and moving our focus to the 196 on lemmy.world. For you guys, functionally nothing has changed.
What about the posts?
Well, we tried to transfer them, but there was no real way to do so without absolutely destroying lemmy.world’s federation. For this reason, we are simply archiving this community as mod-only. Everything is staying up, you just won’t be able to post new content. Comments are still enabled, so we will continue to check our modlogs for some time after the transfer has settled.
As for the posts on lemmy.world’s 196, we’re leaving those up too. From this point onwards, all posts made to that community are beholden to the rules you are all used to, but anything pre-existing is getting grandfathered in.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE PUT THEM IN THE COMMENTS OF THIS POST, AND I’LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM.
Once again, here’s the link to our new apartment of awesome. (universal: !196@lemmy.world)
We won’t be moving to world with you. We like blahaj and we like 196 being on blahaj. If you don’t want to be here, you should instead just hand over your mod positions to people who do.
Yeah, exactly, what the fuck?
a large portion of instances do not federate with 196
What’s wrong with federation?
So I made a new community.
!onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Banner and icon will follow, I’m literally out running errands right now!
oh boy i can’t wait to be randomly shadowbanned just like on every lemmy.world community where i open my stupid tranny mouth too much.
Minus being trans (but queer!) fucking SAME
Fuck this. I’ll be blocking the
newfake 196 then.The combination of not involving the community in the decision, only providing a vague reason and locking the original community really rubs me the wrong way.
I’m sorry, but lemmy.world was the worst possible decision for a place to relocate to. I wouldn’t follow you there even if I could. If you really have to go with a big, liberal instance that will let you moderate however you want at least you should have gone with lemm.ee. They’re not making lemmy monolithic, not as much of a troll magnet, and far more competent at what they do.
Seconding this
OK, I think I see where you’re coming from. But lemmy.world already has several meme, shitpost, and microblog repost communities. Why does lemmy.world need c/196? Up til now the fact that it was on blahaj.zone was what made it stand out.
it’s less that lemmy.world needs 196, and more that we think it is an instance that is well suited to host 196. this community is not one that is defined by the instance it is located on
This is the meme community with the most queer memes. It very much is defined by its instance.
Why Lemmy.world over other servers?
This is a great question, I wonder if they will answer this.
To be honest, I think a big part of the 196 identity is that it comes from blahaj. Maybe the move will prove me wrong, but I can’t imagine the energy will be the same.
We did want to stay in LBZ, but Ada wasn’t willing to compromise with us. Which is her right, and we respect it.
I don’t think the energy will be any different, though.
Compromise on what? What’s the issue?
The post doesn’t really say anything spesific
Heavy-handed moderation, mostly. Don’t get me wrong, we do love Ada and appreciate her work, but sometimes we’ll see people getting banned or comments getting removed for relatively mild takes. We also often disagreed about the severity of the actions, like ban lengths being way too long considering the reason, or people getting banned over something that really should just be a removal.
To put it bluntly, (and I mean no disrespect, but) her mod actions often felt very vibes-based. Like her feelings heavily influenced her decisions. We want the rules to be enforced in a more objective fashion.
So we asked her to let us handle 196 if the content in question wasn’t explicitly trans/queerphobic or illegal, etc… She disagreed, and we respect her view, so we brought up the idea of moving and she gave us her blessing.
I thought this was meant to be on good terms? What about your post is fostering good will? It’s nothing but trashing on me…
To be clear, every post and user I removed was due to queerphobia, transphobia, trolling or spam, issues that broke the instances rules. Some of that bigotry was was implicit rather than explicit, like dog whistles, tone policing etc. Some of it was the “just asking questions” transphobia that pervades most corporate owned social media spaces.
This is the way I have moderated this instance from before the time I handed this community to moss. When lemmy was just taking off, I asked for people to mod the 196 community after it was abandoned by its original creators, and passed it over to moss when she raised her hand.
So if the goal is for this to be civil, maybe don’t paint me as the bad guy for moderating in a way I have done from before your community was created here. What feels like “moderating by vibes” to you, is lengthy experience with community development, and a decade navigating queer and gender diverse communities, and knowing what I want from them. As moss said, this is ideological differences in how low grade transphobia and queerphobia should be dealt with. moss is ok with community pushback for the low grade stuff rather than moderation, whereas I’ll just remove it.
That’s what I wouldn’t compromise on, and that has been the way the instance has run for years now.
It feels like every time I extend 196 a hand, you bite it. I gave the community to moss and started this whole thing. I told another instance admin no when they asked 196 to remove their banner. moss then went and leaked the DMs from said admin, forcing me to remove the post, and then had a public complaint session about me for removing the post.
I have asked 196 for years now to have an active blahaj.zone mod so that someone can deal with the blahaj.zone reports that constantly come through and build up, but still, the best we got were mods with alt accounts that get checked every couple of days, leaving me to deal with the build up of reports on 196. Sometimes they would hang around there for days while I waited for a 196 mod to log in and look at them. And because you don’t like the way I deal with them, you drag me over the coals for my moderation style, despite no one from 196 stepping up to deal with those reports on a regular basis.
I was told that you were thinking about moving to another instance. I offered my support if you decided to stay or to leave. And that was the last I heard of it, until one of your mods (possibly you if I remember correctly) told the community you were organising something with lemmy.world, and I had to hear that second hand. And then, when things were finalised and the decision to move was locked in, once more, I heard about it second hand, after your team made a public post, because no one from 196 could be bothered to tell me before posting.
So no, you don’t get to paint me as the unreasonable admin who moderates by “vibes”. If you want to point the finger at me, at least own your own mistakes, rather than asking for good will and civility and then dumping on me when the chance presents itself.
Wow, I already didn’t agree with this move, but knowing they went behind your back makes this feel especially bad. I’ll certainly not move then. I’m sorry to hear that, and I just want you to know that the community, for the most part, stands behind you <3
I, like many others I imagine, came to blahaj because of c/196, but stayed for the amazing safe space and community you’ve built here!
No no, they didn’t go behind my back. I knew it was in the works. It’s more that there was no clear communication about the plans, so I only found out specifics after they’d been made public.
u guys should mod a community on lemmy.world if they share ur values more but don’t steal our community
we aren’t stealing your community. the people who built and facilitated this community are the people who are migrating this community.
Yeah you are lmao because we can’t post here anymore. Unlocking it would be a step towards “unstealing” it.
I thought we left that attitude on Reddit, that’s a really disappointing and insulting take. The community is the community, not a handful of moderators. We’re grateful for the work y’all are doing, but, and I really don’t intend this as an insult, moderators are replaceable.
if i could downvote, i would! >>>>>>:((((((((
this is a VERY UNCOMFY move!!! >>>>:((((
just to make it obvious, these are ANGRY FACES!!!
(im saying this cuz maybe 196 mods or whatever cannot understand these kinds of emotions)“>” are the ANGRY EYEBROWS! “:” are the EYES and “(” is the SAD MOUTH!!!
I AM VERY SAD! i will NOT lurk on ur evil .world “replacement”.
this is NOT what the FEDIVERSE IS MEANT TO BE!!!
the fediverse is meant to be DECENTRALIZED!!! across MULTIPLE INSTANCES!
this is NOT a “very fediverse move” you are doing here. This is a “reddit move”!
im gonna say it. this is straight up u/spez stuff happening here.
i HOPE that my comment gets blocked or removed by my instance maintainers, so that it becomes OBVIOUS that such hatespeech, which is allowed on .world is NOT OKAY!
(yes i mean my hatespeech rn, im in evil mode today, this is very evil, i dun like this at all. will not support this evil behavior)
sorry for anticlimacting the angry mood but the angry faces made me want to hug u >v<
Who defederates from blåhaj? Why? As far as I can see it’s just a queer instance only bigots would defederate.
I don’t think this is about defederation …
But to answer your question, I know
BeehawHexbear defederated from Blahaj. I can’t remember all the reasons, I think Blahaj was considering defederating from them, and they defederated from Blahaj first, claiming Blahaj users were disrupting them (similar claims were being made aboutBeehawHexbear users on Blahaj).I think Blahaj defederates from other instances, usually because those instances don’t moderate or remove transphobic and queerphobic content. I don’t know of any other cases where an instance defederated from Blahaj other than
BeehawHexbear, though.??? I regularly interact with Beehaw users. The most recent reply in my inbox is from a Beehaw user.
I think you’re mixing Beehaw up with Hexbear.
I guess those ideological issues were the acceptance and safe space for queer people, but fuck us I guess. Don’t worry, we won’t hop on over to the shit show.
Maybe we can start a 197 like how 196 came from 195.
What a shitty fucking take from some power tripped mods.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206/12464713
looks like the main differences are about what counts as violations and how to deal with them:
196 mod said:
sometimes we’ll see people getting banned or comments getting removed for relatively mild takes. We also often disagreed about the severity of the actions, like ban lengths being way too long considering the reason, or people getting banned over something that really should just be a removal.
Ada’s response:
every post and user I removed was due to queerphobia, transphobia, trolling or spam, issues that broke the instances rules. Some of that bigotry was was implicit rather than explicit, like dog whistles, tone policing etc. Some of it was the “just asking questions” transphobia that pervades most corporate owned social media spaces. … As moss said, this is ideological differences in how low grade transphobia and queerphobia should be dealt with. moss is ok with community pushback for the low grade stuff rather than moderation, whereas I’ll just remove it.
So it’s not as simple as queer acceptance vs not, but rather what counts as a violation and how severely those rules are enforced.
They could still transfer the existing community
The primary difference is moderatorial and ideologial differences
Such as?
blahaj.zone admins have a tendency to moderate rather heavy-handedly. Mod choices are rarely, if ever, checked by my team, and bans are often given for things that are not in violation of our rules. This is because Ada runs lemmy.blahaj.zone as a very curated community, often removing and banning for matters that are, in my opinion, based on opinion rather than objectivity. I have little against that, and think that, as the owner, she has every right to choose how to run her community. That being said, I don’t think its the right community for us.
That still doesn’t really tell me anything. What kinds of differences of opinions? What kinds of things have resulted in admin action that the mods would be more lenient on?
My money’s on they don’t want Ada going over their heads and mandating that neopronouns will be respected. That’s the only high profile drama that I’ve seen on Blahaj in many months. They can call it differences on the back end all they want, but I have to see this as a move away from pro-trans moderation policies, since they’re leaving the instance that’s explictly pro-trans.
I’m sorry, but as someone who has been very explicitly transgender over 4 years now (and has a team that is 40% trans), i take offense to this. While the neopronouns debate was something that my team probably would have handled slightly differently, it is not what I am referring to AT ALL.
I’m glad to hear that my presumptions are false. Please tell us what you’re referring to so that we dont have to speculate.
the lack of response to this is telling
Mod choices are rarely, if ever, checked by my team
To be clear, the only moderation I do is for content or users that are breaking our instance guidelines, not 196 rules. If it didn’t break instance guidelines, I didn’t touch it, and if it did, it was bigger than 196. In neither case was running it past 196 mods an appropriate step
I understand this Ada, as I said both in my comments and my DMs with you. I hope there’s no ill will, and that we can remain on good terms.
No ill will! I just don’t want people thinking I was defacto moderating 196