People want leftist policies, they want leftist leaders.
The Dems haven’t had a primary since they almost lost the whole party to Bernie Sanders in 2016, and they have shown they would rather hand the country to the Republicans than sit down with their rich donors and let them know they have to make some concessions for the American people.
Funny thing: if you do polling and don’t mention which party sponsors a policy, leftish (more like social-democratic) policies are extremely popular. Associate those same policies with the Democrats and support drastically drops.
People elect right wing leaders when they are afraid and uneducated. And Covid plus all the reverberating economic issues weve had since then made people scared.
When we see a lot of these right wing leaders fail to do anything then we will flip flop back to leftists
That might be true. But the solution to that, is not ”move further to the left” or ”wait for the right to fuck up”. It’s then to help people not to be afraid, to educate them.
I very much hope you’re right, but I’ve seen this trend for over 20 years in Sweden now. With basically zero indication it’s turning.
You’re welcome to try to educate them, if you can manage to penetrate their egos.
I’ve tried educating them, but it’s kind of hard when they already beleive fake bullshit and literally can’t be reasoned with because religious people don’t require reason to believe something.
Religon shamed them into hating themselves and their neigbors, so I find shame to be a much more effective tool, even if they don’t manage to self reflect they’ll probably feel stupid and shut up like they were trained.
Even leftist countries are drawing towards right wing extremists.
And in those countries, we see the same Russian interference, oligarch money and fascist-controlled media. Another con artist re-running a playbook is not a grassroots movement.
This response makes no sense. You’re responding to someone saying the people still want leftist policies by saying “I agree, they don’t want leftist policies”
Under normal circumstances with everyday people, I try to make generous assumptions and “never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
But in the case of the Democratic party, I have a hard time believing that everybody in the Democratic leadership is that stupid, which leaves only the possibility that their continued failure is intentional
It looks to me like much of the DNC leadership, and worse, the long-time admin people who really run things, are deeply cynical and primarily interested in the preservation of their own meal tickets. The nominal party leadership (people like Biden and Harris) could clean house at the DNC if they were so inclined. But instead, loyalty to the institution and not the objectives is rewarded. In any other organization, non-performance like that would have led to wholesale replacement or shutdown.
Yeah, the corporate entity called the Democratic Party only cares about soliciting donations. Both parties are legally entrenched and moated from competition by difficult ballot-access standards they introduced themselves, propped up by subservient media institutions, who portray the two parties as inevitable and natural.
There are well-intentioned people (in both parties? Sure, let’s be kind) but they don’t hold power and must play by the rules of the corporate party leadership.
As long as donations come in, everyone has income. As long as democrats lose close elections, donations flow. As long as there’s some DINO or Blue Dog to ruin a Democrat majority, they can keep whipping up votes and donations (“We need a bigger majority next time! And please send cash”) As long as Republicans legislate unpopular policies when they’re in control, donations flow in on the promise to fight back.
Or they’re doing the same thing to the Democrats they’re counseling that they do to Republicans. They’re not going to change because people say “Democrats and Republicans are just play fighting so don’t bother”, they do it when they’re being attacked for inaction.
Hahaha this writer actually believes that Democrats really care about our country, instead of just being the party of controlled opposition.
The neoliberals are the same as Republicans.
People want leftist policies, they want leftist leaders.
The Dems haven’t had a primary since they almost lost the whole party to Bernie Sanders in 2016, and they have shown they would rather hand the country to the Republicans than sit down with their rich donors and let them know they have to make some concessions for the American people.
Do they though? Even leftist countries are drawing towards right wing extremists.
There are few places were leftist policies and leaders are doing well… and sure, they don’t exist in the US. But they do at many other places.
Funny thing: if you do polling and don’t mention which party sponsors a policy, leftish (more like social-democratic) policies are extremely popular. Associate those same policies with the Democrats and support drastically drops.
Not to be mean but this is literally propaganda.
People elect right wing leaders when they are afraid and uneducated. And Covid plus all the reverberating economic issues weve had since then made people scared.
When we see a lot of these right wing leaders fail to do anything then we will flip flop back to leftists
Not if Democrats have anything to say about it. We’ll get milquetoast corpodems or republican fascists and there is no other choice. Yay.
And people will vote for them anyway because if their personal economy is bad they will vote out the incumbent.
After 2016 and Republicans fucking everything up for 2 years they got recked in the midterms.
The same will happen again.
That might be true. But the solution to that, is not ”move further to the left” or ”wait for the right to fuck up”. It’s then to help people not to be afraid, to educate them.
I very much hope you’re right, but I’ve seen this trend for over 20 years in Sweden now. With basically zero indication it’s turning.
Just getting worse.
You’re welcome to try to educate them, if you can manage to penetrate their egos.
I’ve tried educating them, but it’s kind of hard when they already beleive fake bullshit and literally can’t be reasoned with because religious people don’t require reason to believe something.
Religon shamed them into hating themselves and their neigbors, so I find shame to be a much more effective tool, even if they don’t manage to self reflect they’ll probably feel stupid and shut up like they were trained.
And in those countries, we see the same Russian interference, oligarch money and fascist-controlled media. Another con artist re-running a playbook is not a grassroots movement.
Have I said anything else? My point was that there seem to be few indications of the people actually wanting leftist politics, and leftist leaders.
This response makes no sense. You’re responding to someone saying the people still want leftist policies by saying “I agree, they don’t want leftist policies”
Not sure why the downvotes. The party who put a prosecutor in front of the ACAB crowd is clearly shit.
I used to think they were just dumb but now I think it’s all by design
Under normal circumstances with everyday people, I try to make generous assumptions and “never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
But in the case of the Democratic party, I have a hard time believing that everybody in the Democratic leadership is that stupid, which leaves only the possibility that their continued failure is intentional
It looks to me like much of the DNC leadership, and worse, the long-time admin people who really run things, are deeply cynical and primarily interested in the preservation of their own meal tickets. The nominal party leadership (people like Biden and Harris) could clean house at the DNC if they were so inclined. But instead, loyalty to the institution and not the objectives is rewarded. In any other organization, non-performance like that would have led to wholesale replacement or shutdown.
Yeah, the corporate entity called the Democratic Party only cares about soliciting donations. Both parties are legally entrenched and moated from competition by difficult ballot-access standards they introduced themselves, propped up by subservient media institutions, who portray the two parties as inevitable and natural.
There are well-intentioned people (in both parties? Sure, let’s be kind) but they don’t hold power and must play by the rules of the corporate party leadership.
As long as donations come in, everyone has income. As long as democrats lose close elections, donations flow. As long as there’s some DINO or Blue Dog to ruin a Democrat majority, they can keep whipping up votes and donations (“We need a bigger majority next time! And please send cash”) As long as Republicans legislate unpopular policies when they’re in control, donations flow in on the promise to fight back.
Designed by who?
Just a note to observers, I have this user tagged as, “nonvoter complains”
No one cares about your tags.
Wow this is the dorkiest comment I’ve ever encountered
“Attention everybody: This guy doesn’t vote! Don’t worry, your parents have been called and are coming to pick you up”
What’s more “dorky”? What I said, or the person who replies to it with this ^
We can let the reader decide…
Well, in prole’s estimation, this guy doesn’t vote.
LMAO thank you. What frontend are you using that has tags?
I use Boost on my phone as that was my preferred reddit app
Or they’re doing the same thing to the Democrats they’re counseling that they do to Republicans. They’re not going to change because people say “Democrats and Republicans are just play fighting so don’t bother”, they do it when they’re being attacked for inaction.