I’ve recently gone down the rabbit hole of Jordan shit tonight and this combo of stats blew my mind.
He’s never been a point guard for an extended time. I know he played point guard at the end of a season and racked up 10 triple doubles out of 11 games. Out of his decently lengthy career he’s barely done it but… he still put up 11+ assists a game in a finals and only 2 other players in history have done this. Both point guards their whole careers(Cousey and Magic).
Then 2 finals later he sets the finals ppg record at 41 points.
Both of these have not been broken since those years 30-32 years ago.
Bonus: he set the playoff scoring total record in the playoffs in the year between those. That hasn’t been broken either
He won all 3 years to support the awesomeness even further
Dafuq was this dude on???
Goat
I thought it was cool as fuck he took a break between the finals to play baseball, like bro was bigger than it all and was in a coma between finals.
Michael Jordan is good.
Every time MJ or LeBron comes up the only thing I think is that these nephews have no fucking idea what they’re talking about.
Anyone who saw both play is taking the same guy every time, unless they’re on TV. It’s not a knock on LBJ, MJ was just that good. And an intensity and will to win that LBJ has never even sniffed.
LBJ vs MJ is peak athletic condition VS peak althetic condition plus an indomitable will to win. Sure AF didn’t lose no finals
It’s baffling that there are still people who refuse to admit he’s GOAT
But people gave LeBron a hard time for passing too much, smh…
I really dont get the GOAT debate its not even close. Lebron and Kareem is closer to each other than both closer to MJ.
LeMickey is the undisputed goat at losing in finals though, MJ could never
Michael Jordan is good at basketball.
There’s always another mindblowing MJ stat.
This has been said before but what’s so crazy about Jordan is you can take nearly any given player’s record, award history, statistical streak, or incredible stat line and there’s a really good chance one of the people competing with the player for that unique streak, award, etc. is going to be Jordan. Like there’s all these different players in various lists and then Jordan is just in all of them.
Same with LeBron
It’s even more crazy he did it at that time.
The league talent might be better today, but coaching/health and recovery/accommodations in terms of flights/hotels/etc(and yes shit accommodations would lead to more fatigue, especially back in the 60s), and most importantly the rules all were far less favourable back then.
People talk about zone defense a lot because Jordan himself said it would have hindered him, but a lot of the rule changes and changes to the way the game is called(dont call travelling/carrying violations, footwork violations, moving screens) would have all allowed him to be even more dominant offensively.
Jordan would be the best player in the world today.
Someday there will be a player that legitimately challenges MJ in the goat debate, and I just hope I’m around to see him play when that happens.
I think LBJ is probably the closest anyone will come
That’s just crazy bruh, LeBron or MJ is the goat, I have no problem if anyone has either of them #1, to say LeBron doesn’t even challenge is crazy.
Had LeBron been born in a good family like Steph he would have been the GOAT easily. That brother became a GOAT contender off pure talent with no one even teaching how to shoot a jumper. Can’t learn that later in your life. Ambidextrous, perfect body and incredible vision but struggles to shoot a FT because he didn’t have the privilege to learn fundamentals like Steph.
MJ had great family support as well. Wemby has the perfect body if you ignore injury risk and great fundamentals from a basketball family. LeBron James had the worst conditions with many flaws and is still close so I believe we haven’t seen the GOAT yet. I haven’t seen a flawless basketball player yet. A small guy like Steph coming near the top shows me there’s still a lot of inefficiency at the top. Jordan is the closest thing to a flawless player I know but he is still a little too small and inefficient from deep to be the permanent GOAT in basketball imo. In football I feel I have seen the perfect player with perfect physical, technical abilities, IQ, vision in Messi.
If my grandmother had wheels she would’ve been a bike
I’m losing brain cells reading all your comments in this thread, so I’m not even going to touch your Jordan/LeBron theory, but you’re never going to see a perfect player. Even if Messi is head and heels above everyone else, he has loads of flaws.
Bron challenges him. Id say a good 25ish% of people have him as their goat. I wanna see someone be the Gretzky undeniable GOAT level. Like completely dethrone Mj, Bron, and Kareem. I dunno if its possible tho. Its super hard to get 4+ rings with these rules
At worst LeBron is a legitimate challenger for GOAT, even if you don’t think he ultimately makes the cut.
After 2011 it is honestly tough to make an argument on him being in the conversation. A very stable top 2 but the goat wouldn’t be clamped by JJ Barea and score 8 points in a finals game
Jordan got bullied by Rex Chapman. No GOAT can escape a white dawg
You mean the Finals where he averaged 41.0 points, 8.5 rebounds, and 6.3 assists per game and they won in six games? We might have different definitions of getting bullied
No.
I can’t, man. Did you know the hardware difference between them is a first ballot HOF?
2x FMVP 1x MVP 10x scoring titles 1x DPOY
longevity is amazing and lbjs longevity is unrivaled but hardware is where you prove you were better than everyone else while playing. Better rebounder, defender, winner, etc.
Longevity if you just play long enough you’ll eventually win cumulative stats.
You don’t think Lebron has an argument against Jordan? I think it’s debatable right now at the very least.
Who impacted the game more, and who was a bigger figure? Who accomplished more? Who, at their best, was the better player?
The answer to all 3 of those questions is Jordan. How does anything LeBron does even move the needle? MJ won more, he was better, and he was bigger.
How does longevity, or any other argument in favor even make a case?
It’s recency bias. There’s no argument. Nothing other than rationalizations. One player was more impactul to the NBA and culture and super stardom. That same player won more, and was better.
LeBron has nothing to combat that
He can be argued but at the end of the argument it’s still solidly jordan.
Lebron is the solid #2 though.
Will be very interesting to see how close Wemby gets to GOAT status
VICTOR WEMBENYAMA
His peak is something that more than likely will never be reached by anyone else. There’s really nothing more to it than that. He was absolutely insane.
I’m happy that the stats back-up my experience watching MJ play. He was unbelievably great.
Bro you should look into Wayne Gretzky. The GOATest GOAT. So far above everyone else it’s honestly kind of hilarious.
Cricketer Don Bradman too