• Kalkaline @leminal.space
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      Yeah, some common sense gun laws would have helped. People hearing voices should not have guns in their possession.

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          The thing is, he was a prime candidate to fall under the Yellow Flag law with the threats he made.

          The police didn’t do their job and invoke it.

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                  Nnnooo, it’s still a failure of the cops. The law, as it is, is a good law. The problem here, again, is that the cops didn’t do their jobs.

                  Edit: Sometimes a law is poorly written so law enforcement can’t do what’s necessary to enforce it or the law doesn’t really address a problem. That’s not what happened here; the cops simply chose not to enforce the law, and that’s entirely on them.

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                    Mostly nobody.

                    The reality is that the laws are the written minimum expectations of our social contract.

                    If enough of the unwritten social contract falls apart, you’ll be amazed at how quickly it becomes obvious that most laws aren’t really enforced.

                    I mean cops won’t even show up for most shoplifting cases these days, so what stops most people from shoplifting?

                    The social contract that we hold dear. As long as I can have my needs met legally, I will do it. As soon as I can’t feed and house myself legally, I won’t choose to “not eat” because of cops.

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                  That doesn’t make much sense. That’s not how many laws are enforced. What do you even mean by “initiative”? Weird how they could stop my friend on the street, shove their hands in his pockets to search him for “drugs” (cannabis) and give him a ticket for loitering but when some guy tells someone he wants to shoot up a military base, no problem.

                  Or they can pull us over repeatedly as teens and say “where are you going tonight? Any drugs in the car? Can I search your car?” Those were failed laws but not due to “initiative”.

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          Except HE reported having heard voices and threatened to shoot up a military base. No knocking required, the police knew and did nothing

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          No, but you can ask anyone that checks in to a ward saying their hearing voices if they have guns.

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            Sounds foolproof. People being involuntarily committed never lie to the people locking them up!

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              Too bad there’s no way to find out if they have guns like, for example, looking to see if they have guns. But that would be impossible.

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          We could enact a law that would have people take a yearly gun safety course which includes a psychological assessment to determine their fitness for gun ownership. Failure to comply would start a process for gun confiscation by the state. Failure to provide proof of completion would result in a $10,000 fine and confiscation of guns on the person and on their property.

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        Yeah here’s me not wanting a gun for myself because I sleep walk. How is it that people with dangerous mental disorders can just get whatever they want?

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      Nah, this blood, as with almost all mass shootings, is completely on the 2A people as far as I’m concerned.

      Australia cleaned up their act in response to mass tragedy. Our society just isn’t a society.

      That would require some degree of cooperation and sacrifice. Modern Americans just don’t have those qualities in us.

      This is what our people have chosen to be.

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        yep i realized this when a room full of dead 6 year olds wasnt enough for the 2a people to realize real people are dying for their fake security. ive lost hope

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        Our society just isn’t a society.

        Which is why I’d prefer to have a gun

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        Australia cleaned up their act in response to mass tragedy. Our society just isn’t a society.

        Australia didn’t have a problem with mass shootings, then they had 1 mass shooting. They banned guns, and continued to not have problems with mass shootings. Doesn’t prove anything. In fact they have more guns now than they did pre-ban

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          The first result on google for ‘Australia gun ownership rates’:

          https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/04/28/new-gun-ownership-figures-revealed-25-years-on-from-port-arthur.html

          -Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered firearms, an average of four for each licensed gun owner.

          -The proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent since 1997.

          -The proportion of Australian households with a firearm has fallen by 75 percent in recent decades.

          -Data indicates that people who already own guns have bought more rather than an increase in new gun owners.

          And I don’t know much about their mass shooting history, but here’s an article explaining that homicides and suicides sharply declined after the ban:

          https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

          What they found is a decline in both suicide and homicide rates after the NFA. The average firearm suicide rate in Australia in the seven years after the bill declined by 57 percent compared with the seven years prior. The average firearm homicide rate went down by about 42 percent.

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            also other countries take shooting to mass shooting more serious where here in murica they dont make the news with under 6 victims

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      Don’t forget the day before he killed people that this was “a good guy with a gun”