Fuck all the people who saw the signs but did nothing.
This could have been avoided.
Yeah, some common sense gun laws would have helped. People hearing voices should not have guns in their possession.
The moment he threatened a military base, he should have been locked up and getting treatment.
Already a law in Maine. They have a yellow flag law to stop this. We can’t go around knocking on every gun owner’s door and asking g if they hear voices.
https://legislature.maine.gov/statutes/34-B/title34-Bsec3862-A.html
The thing is, he was a prime candidate to fall under the Yellow Flag law with the threats he made.
The police didn’t do their job and invoke it.
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No, that would be failed enforcement.
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All laws depend on cops to take initiative. That’s why they are called “Law Enforcement” lmao.
Nnnooo, it’s still a failure of the cops. The law, as it is, is a good law. The problem here, again, is that the cops didn’t do their jobs.
Edit: Sometimes a law is poorly written so law enforcement can’t do what’s necessary to enforce it or the law doesn’t really address a problem. That’s not what happened here; the cops simply chose not to enforce the law, and that’s entirely on them.
That doesn’t make much sense. That’s not how many laws are enforced. What do you even mean by “initiative”? Weird how they could stop my friend on the street, shove their hands in his pockets to search him for “drugs” (cannabis) and give him a ticket for loitering but when some guy tells someone he wants to shoot up a military base, no problem.
Or they can pull us over repeatedly as teens and say “where are you going tonight? Any drugs in the car? Can I search your car?” Those were failed laws but not due to “initiative”.
If cops are ineffective, then who enforces the law, fucknut?
That’s how laws work
You think police forces should rule with an iron fist, you say?
Except HE reported having heard voices and threatened to shoot up a military base. No knocking required, the police knew and did nothing
The police don’t do shit when they hear children screaming and dying. They’re not gonna do shit about this.
No, but you can ask anyone that checks in to a ward saying their hearing voices if they have guns.
Sounds foolproof. People being involuntarily committed never lie to the people locking them up!
Too bad there’s no way to find out if they have guns like, for example, looking to see if they have guns. But that would be impossible.
why not
We could enact a law that would have people take a yearly gun safety course which includes a psychological assessment to determine their fitness for gun ownership. Failure to comply would start a process for gun confiscation by the state. Failure to provide proof of completion would result in a $10,000 fine and confiscation of guns on the person and on their property.
Yeah here’s me not wanting a gun for myself because I sleep walk. How is it that people with dangerous mental disorders can just get whatever they want?
“common sense gun law” is meaningless
Nah, this blood, as with almost all mass shootings, is completely on the 2A people as far as I’m concerned.
Australia cleaned up their act in response to mass tragedy. Our society just isn’t a society.
That would require some degree of cooperation and sacrifice. Modern Americans just don’t have those qualities in us.
This is what our people have chosen to be.
yep i realized this when a room full of dead 6 year olds wasnt enough for the 2a people to realize real people are dying for their fake security. ive lost hope
Our society just isn’t a society.
Which is why I’d prefer to have a gun
Australia cleaned up their act in response to mass tragedy. Our society just isn’t a society.
Australia didn’t have a problem with mass shootings, then they had 1 mass shooting. They banned guns, and continued to not have problems with mass shootings. Doesn’t prove anything. In fact they have more guns now than they did pre-ban
The first result on google for ‘Australia gun ownership rates’:
-Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered firearms, an average of four for each licensed gun owner.
-The proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent since 1997.
-The proportion of Australian households with a firearm has fallen by 75 percent in recent decades.
-Data indicates that people who already own guns have bought more rather than an increase in new gun owners.
And I don’t know much about their mass shooting history, but here’s an article explaining that homicides and suicides sharply declined after the ban:
https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
What they found is a decline in both suicide and homicide rates after the NFA. The average firearm suicide rate in Australia in the seven years after the bill declined by 57 percent compared with the seven years prior. The average firearm homicide rate went down by about 42 percent.
also other countries take shooting to mass shooting more serious where here in murica they dont make the news with under 6 victims
Don’t forget the day before he killed people that this was “a good guy with a gun”
Of course he could have done that step first but instead another damaged and armed asshole imposes his demons on others and inflicts grievous pain on dozens of families before offing themself.
Yet another in a long list of isolated incidents because after trying nothing we’ve run out of ideas.
It’s not like we’ve tried nothing; he should have been dealt with when he made threats, but the police don’t want to act on the laws we have in place. They want to wait until a tragedy happens so they can feel like they’re being heroes, apparently.
police don’t want more stringent gun laws because tons of them beat their wives and they’d be disqualified from carrying guns
I suspect they’re also worried we’d take away all their fun toys if the threat of constant gun violence wasn’t there.
The US has both a gun problem AND a mental health problem. We need more immediate access to long term healthcare.
The addition of the 988 hotline is an ok start but mental health issues are still demonized and have limited resources.
Tragic underfunding + stigma = tragedies
Everyone check in on your friends and loved ones, too.
the hotline is a copout to help people ignore the systemic problems fueling depression epidemic
Oh the whole thing is definitely a broader socioeconomic and societal issue, for sure. That’s why it’s a crisis line and not a therapy line.
But let’s be clear here, this guy did not do these things because he had a mental health problem. Dude had a plan, a really complex one, and had extensive training in the army to carry a plan out like this , to avoid being captured and to cause as much damage as possible. If he was just suicidal, he would have just offed himself instead of 22 plus other casualties he caused. Do not blame on what he did on his mental health problem and failure to get it sorted
I blame it on society as a whole, the failure to take away his guns whenever he checked into a mental health place, and for failure to take care of his veterans.
I don’t think you kill 18 people without a mental health problem.
Problem is lumping in his problems with other mental health problems that are nothing like his, worsening the stigma.
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Had problems with an ex, some old friends, and it looks like he was fired recently from a job. Wanted revenge I guess.
I mean, that’s sort of exactly why everyone needs someone to talk to and process stuff. If you’ve lost a relationship, friends, and a job you should be able to access care when you start having dark thoughts like this.
Exactly, small things that build up can lead to tragedy. Especially when you’re mentally unstable to begin with. What happened with him was horrible and tragic, but not totally his fault. Society has some blame to take too because they let him out of that facility without a support system in place and they didn’t take his guns. Two things they should have done. In addition to help and support we also need trigger laws that take all your guns and other weapons, and inform your family and friends that this person is not allowed to have guns, and closely monitor his financials to see if he’s trying to buy a gun. Any ONE of those would have prevented what happened in Lewiston.
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stigma
You’re adding to the stigma by blaming this fascist terrorism on people with mental problems.
Let’s be real. The only way this stops is when enough republicunt politicians see their own children murdered in such incidents.
Not even then. They’d try to increase militarization of the police instead.
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When the black panthers started advocating for carrying guns, Republicans supported gun control.
Maybe drag queens should start a pro gun PAC? Start carrying everywhere, but like really cute pink and teal guns?
They are. I’ve seen a documentary about the creation of black/left-wing/LGBTQ-friendly gun clubs.
Minorities who traditionally were not attracted to guns/shooting are starting to feel unsafe in the current USA and it’s not hard to see why.
Jews are starting to get armed. Everyone’s getting strapped, America is getting less and less safe by the minute.
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California keeps passing them then they get struck down
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I mean, there might be mentally ill people who feel compelled to do things like that, but they don’t exactly make the news do they?
Because feeding the homeless or starting a sanctuary for pets is socially beneficial and isn’t considered mental illness.
On their own, no, but if someone hears voices that aren’t there telling them to go feed the homeless, that person is mentally ill, just the results of that are socially beneficial instead of harmful in this case.
Yeah we should be careful about encouraging mentally ill people to kill themselves and instead encourage (and enable) them to get help
Clearly because they put more value in their lives than those of others. What do these freaks call other people? Non-player characters? They don’t matter, because they’re not themselves. Narcissism to the extreme.
They hate. They feel antogonistic towards this society. They blame every their failure on it. They want to hurt it, the cosmos of things they hate, to make it burn, to make it suffer.
Offing themselves isn’t the goal, but they’d feel weak if they’d just surrender to it. Instead they choose fucking with their pain, with a collective of those they blame for it, while leaving this hydra helpless to presecute them. If they are to quit, what else matters?
In gunning down random people they feel relief, the reclamation of power over their shitty life for once. They don’t see people, just parts of thing hurting them, hated by them. They feel like there exists only two actors: they vs the world. And inflicting damage on the world is answering to whatever this world did to them.
One can’t rationalize this purely irrational reaction.
👀👀I mean… Gestures widely at religion
They need a scapegoat for their pain.
I’d venture because that’s their general disposition, anyway. Jeanne d’Arc heard voices too, never took a human life.
Time for the usual political debate to run it’s course and nothing to happen, because any change to the conditions that generate this violence run against capital interests.
To run its* course.
Did that make you feel like a big man?
It’s a free world. Think whatever you think of me. Not that you care but nah. It didn’t make me feel like a big man. It just made me feel like I scratched an itch.
Multiple law enforcement sources told ABC News that Robert Card died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Sources told CNN that he was found dead in the woods near the town of Lisbon.
Better that than taking further life.
So he didn’t want to get brains all over HIS house, but was happy with killing a bunch of other people. What a shithead.
His whole family was of a similar mindset; better put a laser focus on their activities, because you know they’ll be next.
Nothing suggests that his motivations edit: for the spree killing were in any way political.
This was a good guy with a gun…until he wasn’t.
…and the trash took itself out.
Robert’s in the dis-card pile now!
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The mass shooting was the 565th in the U.S. in 2023 and the deadliest so far this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive.
GVA thinks someone stubbing a toe at a firing range is a mass shooting so whatever
That’s an exaggeration, but you’re not far off.
They count any shooting with 4 or more injured as a “mass shooting”.
I doubt that most people hear the phrase “mass shooting” and think “People at a party having too much to drink, get in an argument, the argument turns into a fight, guns are drawn, and 2 people on one side get shot and 2 people on the other side get shot.”
Example from my own back yard so to speak… 3 dudes from Texas show up for a marijuana buy from two brothers in Oregon. Buy goes bad, 2 Texans are killed, both brothers are killed, one dude walks away.
GVA DOES count that as a mass shooting. I don’t, for the simple reason that while those people were armed, and DID end up shooting 4 or more people, nobody went down there with guns with the INTENTION of shooting a bunch of people.
For me, and I wish more people defined it this way, a mass shooting is when one or more individuals show up armed in a populated area with the express intention of shooting as many people as possible.
That sort of shooting is FAR rarer. But nobody makes money off keeping people scared if that’s the definition.
The definition of mass shooting shouldn’t detract from the fact that 500+ shootings 4+ injured is too many
500+ shootings in a country with 330 million people and 400 million guns is a rounding error.
Last year there were 42,795 fatal car accidents, we have 233 million licensed drivers. 85 times more than shootings with 4 or more injured.
https://www.usatoday.com/money/blueprint/auto-insurance/fatal-car-crash-statistics/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191653/number-of-licensed-drivers-in-the-us-since-1988/
What’s the number one cause of death for children in America? Is that a rounding error?
“In 2021, there were 2,571 child deaths due to firearms”
2,571 / 330,000,000 = 0.0000077909
Yeah, pretty much.
Jesus, at least you’re open with your psychopathy.
3k dead kids in a “first world” country, to something so easily avoided, is monstrous.
Happy to see you say it loud and proud, fuck those dead kids. Makes it easier to identify y’all.
