People have survived millions of years without refrigerators. Most products don’t get bad in a few hours just because they’re kept at 8° instead of 6°. Granted, there’s some stuff you want to be careful with, like raw poultry and minced meat, but neither the pasteurized milk nor the cured sausage will go bad in just a few hours, even at room temperature. Even if they would, you’d usually see, smell and taste it.
If it was as bad as you say, millions of pupils would die each summer from food poisoning because of the sandwich they carry unrefrigerated with them the whole morning until the lunch break. The temperature in an average teenagers backpack is much higher than that in a refrigerator that has been off for a few hours.
Not sure if you believe that the earth is only a few thousand years old, or you’re trying to say that all people that lived 150 years ago are dead by now, but humankind has been roaming this planet for more than two million years without refrigerators.
And quite successfully, if you consider that they conquered all continents without refrigerators, except the one where you really don’t need a fridge.
I am not the person you replied to but I believe they were referring to Homo sapiens being said to have emerged roughly 2-300k years ago, so 0.3 million, not “millions” (plural). Homo the genus might be a mil or two, but not the species, although you said “humankind” thus implying the species.
Maybe it’s just lost in translation. In my native language we’d call homo erectus etc. (primal) humans, so for me they are part of the humankind although they’re not modern humans.
I don’t know what I expected when I started scrolling through comments, but I certainly didn’t expect "how long humanity has survived depends on how you define ‘people’ "
I never said that you are homo erectus. That doesn’t change the fact that homo erectus were humans. And even if you really stick to the believe that humankind only started with homo sapiens some 20000 years ago, it doesn’t matter for the argument that people have survived a long time without being able to keep their food at a constant 4°C.
While what we currently define as humanity has only been around for about 300k years, this person might have gotten a definition that includes hominids in that, which would go back something liker 6 million years, and our direct “branch” something like 2 million.
You’re so smart for pointing out their mistake! Boy what a dumbass that commenter was to write all that and mess up that detail, it just ruins the whole argument completely
Lol an ultra-processed sandwich (that’s the bread, cheese, and meat) in a lunchbox for a few hours, hopefully with an ice pack, is leagues different from eating iffy chicken from a box that may or may not have been warmer for half the night.
No one’s saying you’ll definitely die from it, but you’re risking salmonella. I doubt anyone who’s suffered through it doesn’t regret saving those few bucks… “When in doubt, throw it out.”
The sourdough bread, the butter, the cottage cheese or the meatloaf that my sandwiches consisted of weren’t “ultra-processed”. Neither was the boiled egg, the cut up fruits or vegetables or the homemade yoghurt. And of cause I didn’t have an ice pack in my lunch box. I know nobody who had one.
I don’t know what you have in your fridge, but I bet you 90% of the contents of 90% of the American fridges are more processed than what an average German school kid has in its lunchbox. So just throw out the 10% that aren’t and feast on the remaining 90%.
That’s from when the US government was staffed with enough unbiased, science-following people! Also, it’s only when stored in a functional, temperature-controlled space. And yes, of course it errs on the side of safety, so home chefs and restaurant-goers alike can be confident they won’t kill someone. You’re obviously free to stretch and even ignore those recommendations. But I don’t envy the time you’ll have if you get unlucky…
People have survived millions of years without refrigerators. Most products don’t get bad in a few hours just because they’re kept at 8° instead of 6°. Granted, there’s some stuff you want to be careful with, like raw poultry and minced meat, but neither the pasteurized milk nor the cured sausage will go bad in just a few hours, even at room temperature. Even if they would, you’d usually see, smell and taste it.
If it was as bad as you say, millions of pupils would die each summer from food poisoning because of the sandwich they carry unrefrigerated with them the whole morning until the lunch break. The temperature in an average teenagers backpack is much higher than that in a refrigerator that has been off for a few hours.
People haven’t survived millions of years.
Not sure if you believe that the earth is only a few thousand years old, or you’re trying to say that all people that lived 150 years ago are dead by now, but humankind has been roaming this planet for more than two million years without refrigerators.
And quite successfully, if you consider that they conquered all continents without refrigerators, except the one where you really don’t need a fridge.
I am not the person you replied to but I believe they were referring to Homo sapiens being said to have emerged roughly 2-300k years ago, so 0.3 million, not “millions” (plural). Homo the genus might be a mil or two, but not the species, although you said “humankind” thus implying the species.
Maybe it’s just lost in translation. In my native language we’d call homo erectus etc. (primal) humans, so for me they are part of the humankind although they’re not modern humans.
You are correct. The word “homo” literally means human.
Homo sapiens are the only living humans, but Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus, Homo Neanderthalus are all humans also.
However we usually use the term “archaic human” or even change human to “hominid” to prevent confusion between “modern humans”.
You weren’t wrong, but this is a kind of jargon which can confuse people.
I don’t know what I expected when I started scrolling through comments, but I certainly didn’t expect "how long humanity has survived depends on how you define ‘people’ "
We are not homo erectus though. So that’s a rather silly comparison.
I’m pretty homo erectus 😎
homo and erectus?
I never said that you are homo erectus. That doesn’t change the fact that homo erectus were humans. And even if you really stick to the believe that humankind only started with homo sapiens some 20000 years ago, it doesn’t matter for the argument that people have survived a long time without being able to keep their food at a constant 4°C.
FYI you accidentally dropped a zero, it’s 200,000 years.
It seems I’m not too good with numbers 😔 But it really doesn’t matter if it’s been 20k, 200k or 2M years, the point is, that it’s been a long time.
Clear evidence that Big Refrigerator is actually holding back our true potential!
While what we currently define as humanity has only been around for about 300k years, this person might have gotten a definition that includes hominids in that, which would go back something liker 6 million years, and our direct “branch” something like 2 million.
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You’re so smart for pointing out their mistake! Boy what a dumbass that commenter was to write all that and mess up that detail, it just ruins the whole argument completely
Wait, so you don’t put an ice pack in your lunch box?? Or at least a frozen gogurt?
I’ve never heard of children putting an ice pack in their lunchbox. No one did this when I was in school.
Usually no, and it’s fine. If there’s something particularly sensitive, then yes.
Lol an ultra-processed sandwich (that’s the bread, cheese, and meat) in a lunchbox for a few hours, hopefully with an ice pack, is leagues different from eating iffy chicken from a box that may or may not have been warmer for half the night.
No one’s saying you’ll definitely die from it, but you’re risking salmonella. I doubt anyone who’s suffered through it doesn’t regret saving those few bucks… “When in doubt, throw it out.”
The sourdough bread, the butter, the cottage cheese or the meatloaf that my sandwiches consisted of weren’t “ultra-processed”. Neither was the boiled egg, the cut up fruits or vegetables or the homemade yoghurt. And of cause I didn’t have an ice pack in my lunch box. I know nobody who had one.
I don’t know what you have in your fridge, but I bet you 90% of the contents of 90% of the American fridges are more processed than what an average German school kid has in its lunchbox. So just throw out the 10% that aren’t and feast on the remaining 90%.
bud did you just completely skip over the part of the comment that says you should be careful about some stuff, like raw poultry or minced meat?
Actually, I did not! And I didn’t say raw. Even cooked chicken should be used or consumed within 2-4 days: https://www.foodsafety.gov/food-safety-charts/cold-food-storage-charts
That’s from when the US government was staffed with enough unbiased, science-following people! Also, it’s only when stored in a functional, temperature-controlled space. And yes, of course it errs on the side of safety, so home chefs and restaurant-goers alike can be confident they won’t kill someone. You’re obviously free to stretch and even ignore those recommendations. But I don’t envy the time you’ll have if you get unlucky…