For clarities sake, there is body cam footage where it alleges he points the gun at the officer while fleeing.
Now I haven’t seen the footage that corroborates this and the footage I did see doesn’t back this statement up (nor does it exclude it, it’s from the POV of another officer)
However the dad apparently left viewing the body cam footage with their lawyer and then went and did this.
I’d expect the body cam footage to show anyone who isn’t a cop that he was running and had a gun in his possession and it likely doesn’t matter from the perspective of the cops if it was actually pointed at him or not.
Basically my bet is the body cam footage corroborates whichever side of the story your want it to.
The outcome of guns is shots fired and folks dead, unfortunately.
I’m not going to try and defend the police in general here. And I’m not going to defend the police involved with this or the kid or the dad. We do not know enough and there is waaaay too much misinformation being spread about this. Anyone who claims to know the “right” thing to do here is either naive or lying.
But, with all that being said. I am a CCW card holder and I do regularly carry as is my constitutional and legal (in my state) right to do so. I also did the whole CCW course (even though my state has constitutional carry laws), go shooting once or twice a month, and annually attend another CCW focused course hosted by a shooting range in partnership with the state sheriff.
But from what I’ve heard, the police started chasing the kid who pulled out a gun (a popular theory I’ve heard online was to dump the weapon). But in that scenario, I can see why the officers would have reacted the way they did. I was taught that if you have to pull a gun on someone the only two de-escalation paths available to you is either them laying face down on the ground, or you killing them. Yes, technically there are other ways, but in a very high stress scenario those things take time and if you pull a gun out you should be 1000000% committed to shooting whatever you have pointed it at.
Like you said, the only thing guns are good at is killing. And no matter how pro-2A and gun loving you are, that’s all they will ever be good for.
I don’t know. I guess this was a really long wall of text to say “we don’t know enough” and “don’t pull a gun out while running from the police”.
Carrying a gun while roaming the streets isn’t allowed everywhere, and neither is pointing them at people - especially police officers while they’re trying to detain you for stealing a car.
No, but pointing a loaded gun at a police officer while stealing a car is.
Is possessing a firearm punishable by a death sentence?
No, but pointing a loaded gun at a police officer while stealing a car is.
cops are not judge jury and executioner
They are in certain situations though, typically ones where suspected criminals - especially ones caught in the act - point guns at them. Every time they are there will be an investigation to determine if it was a lawful shooting, and if it isn’t they will face consequences (though very often those consequences will NOT be harsh enough, but that’s a different story).
There is a thing called due process.
There’s a thing called obeying the law too, and this kid didn’t follow that. “Due process”, the flavour of the month for the left, believe it or not DOES include police shooting suspects to death in certain circumstances.
There is no proof the guy even had a gun.
You haven’t seen it, though it reportedly exists. We’ll see when the final reports come out.
The cop SAID he had one, and cops are well known for carrying around throw away guns, to plant on people after they have killed them.
Ok so you’ve jumped straight to “it’s a conspiracy”. Good for you, but the rest of us like to wait for actual evidence and “due process” to play out. It is currently being investigated. If it is proven that he did have a gun, what will you say then?
Supposedly. Are you aware of the allegations of planting evidence thrown at many, many police officers in the good ol’ US of A? It is a known issue and I’ll take a criminals word before a police officers.
Certainly, nor you. Police officers lie by rote all the time. They are untrustworthy “witnesses” because they are always protecting their own interests and not telling the facts of the case.
Many of them just smoked some pot, or were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Such vile scum deserves as much respect as Mr. Shoot first and ask questions later.
And many murdered people, committed break and enters, stole property, sold drugs, raped people, etc. Many did it with guns too. You trust those people as being good upstanding honest citizens?
About as honest and upstanding as a police officer, yes. Does a murderer ha e to be a liar to murder people? Do you have to lie to sell drugs? Does a gun make you a liar?
Our fucking country, where the life of a car is worth more than the life of a human. ACAB.
Huh? The kid stole a car and was fleeing and armed with a loaded gun.
Fleeing seems like the operative word in that sentence to me.
For clarities sake, there is body cam footage where it alleges he points the gun at the officer while fleeing.
Now I haven’t seen the footage that corroborates this and the footage I did see doesn’t back this statement up (nor does it exclude it, it’s from the POV of another officer)
However the dad apparently left viewing the body cam footage with their lawyer and then went and did this.
I’d expect the body cam footage to show anyone who isn’t a cop that he was running and had a gun in his possession and it likely doesn’t matter from the perspective of the cops if it was actually pointed at him or not.
Basically my bet is the body cam footage corroborates whichever side of the story your want it to.
The outcome of guns is shots fired and folks dead, unfortunately.
I’m not going to try and defend the police in general here. And I’m not going to defend the police involved with this or the kid or the dad. We do not know enough and there is waaaay too much misinformation being spread about this. Anyone who claims to know the “right” thing to do here is either naive or lying.
But, with all that being said. I am a CCW card holder and I do regularly carry as is my constitutional and legal (in my state) right to do so. I also did the whole CCW course (even though my state has constitutional carry laws), go shooting once or twice a month, and annually attend another CCW focused course hosted by a shooting range in partnership with the state sheriff.
But from what I’ve heard, the police started chasing the kid who pulled out a gun (a popular theory I’ve heard online was to dump the weapon). But in that scenario, I can see why the officers would have reacted the way they did. I was taught that if you have to pull a gun on someone the only two de-escalation paths available to you is either them laying face down on the ground, or you killing them. Yes, technically there are other ways, but in a very high stress scenario those things take time and if you pull a gun out you should be 1000000% committed to shooting whatever you have pointed it at.
Like you said, the only thing guns are good at is killing. And no matter how pro-2A and gun loving you are, that’s all they will ever be good for.
I don’t know. I guess this was a really long wall of text to say “we don’t know enough” and “don’t pull a gun out while running from the police”.
Fleeing doesn’t give you a free pass to be armed with a gun and aim said gun at police officers.
“FAFO”
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Carrying a gun while roaming the streets isn’t allowed everywhere, and neither is pointing them at people - especially police officers while they’re trying to detain you for stealing a car.
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No, but pointing a loaded gun at a police officer while stealing a car is.
No, but pointing a loaded gun at a police officer while stealing a car is.
They are in certain situations though, typically ones where suspected criminals - especially ones caught in the act - point guns at them. Every time they are there will be an investigation to determine if it was a lawful shooting, and if it isn’t they will face consequences (though very often those consequences will NOT be harsh enough, but that’s a different story).
There’s a thing called obeying the law too, and this kid didn’t follow that. “Due process”, the flavour of the month for the left, believe it or not DOES include police shooting suspects to death in certain circumstances.
You haven’t seen it, though it reportedly exists. We’ll see when the final reports come out.
Ok so you’ve jumped straight to “it’s a conspiracy”. Good for you, but the rest of us like to wait for actual evidence and “due process” to play out. It is currently being investigated. If it is proven that he did have a gun, what will you say then?
Supposedly. Are you aware of the allegations of planting evidence thrown at many, many police officers in the good ol’ US of A? It is a known issue and I’ll take a criminals word before a police officers.
It’s happened on camera many times with zero charges filed or consequences for the pigs planting their own truffles
So you just assume that every single piece of evidence is planted?
Oh ok, so no one should take anything you say seriously.
Certainly, nor you. Police officers lie by rote all the time. They are untrustworthy “witnesses” because they are always protecting their own interests and not telling the facts of the case.
Unlike criminals, right? Criminals are known as being honest and trustworthy and law abiding citizens.
Many of them just smoked some pot, or were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Such vile scum deserves as much respect as Mr. Shoot first and ask questions later.
And many murdered people, committed break and enters, stole property, sold drugs, raped people, etc. Many did it with guns too. You trust those people as being good upstanding honest citizens?
About as honest and upstanding as a police officer, yes. Does a murderer ha e to be a liar to murder people? Do you have to lie to sell drugs? Does a gun make you a liar?