It’s worth noting that he also fired many of the staff who know how to ensure that they’re actually safe, as well as the staff who would approve financing.

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    If you start a nuclear project today, you’ll get it in 20 years. And that’s for conventional reactor designs with all their well known flaws. If you spend the same money on renewables and storage, you’ll have it all up and running next year. We don’t have 20 years. We need solutions now.

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      This isn’t even remotely true. Japan builds nuclear reactor in average of 5 years.

      Edit for the down vote brigade:

      80% or all nuclear reactors go from official planning to commercial production in under 10 years.

      The longest process in building a nuclear reactor is cutting through red tape and getting permits cause of all the NIMBY and idiots progating mytha and lies about nuclear that originate in fossil fuels lobby.

      Nuclear is the most ecologically friendly and safe power generation source we have until industrial scale fusion gets hammered out.

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        How many nuclear reactors did Japan build in the past five years? Ten years? Twenty years? Thirty years?

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          This comment sounds incredibly naive and yet smug at the same time. It’s this same confident stupidity that has led us here in the first place.

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      Again, what energy storage are you taking about? See my other reply about it. But perhaps a combination of both might be feasible. And you’re right, we’re late in any case, some countries even stupidly so by closing nuclear power plants for populist reason.

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        Batteries, especially in China, but within western techfacturing grasp, are mature and abundant and priced well. Solar plus batteries can outcompete even new fossil fuel builds.

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          That’s why China, at the front of green energy, is building nuclear and coal power plants like crazy? Seriously? I have yet to see hard numbers and hard data of these renewables plan from any of you. 🤷‍♂️

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            Nuclear more than others is not building like crazy. Coal is a make work project that offers resillience, but coal burning is down.

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        The German nuclear plants were closed because they were obsolete and nobody wanted to take responsibility for running them way past their design life. You can spread the same tired old myth all you want, that doesn’t make it any more true.

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          Nuclear power plants get extended lifetime if there is will.

          Also

          Three days later then-Chancellor Angela Merkel – a physicist who was previously pro-nuclear – made a speech called it an “inconceivable catastrophe for Japan” and a “turning point” for the world. She announced Germany would accelerate a nuclear phase-out, with older plants shuttered immediately.

          More than 30% of Germany’s energy comes from coal, the dirtiest of the fossil fuels – and the government has made controversial decisions to turn to coal to help with energy security. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/15/europe/germany-nuclear-phase-out-climate-intl/

          Big win … for the global warming.

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          German nuclear plants were closed because propaganda. They then demolished a wind turbine park to expand a coal mine to make up for the lost nuclear power.

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            Your comment is pure propaganda.

            No, the German nuclear plants were 13 years overdue for their costly post-Fukushima checkups (as laws were tightened after Fukushima) and they were past design life. Germany does not have a final storage solution for its legacy of nuclear waste, so the question of where to store the hazardous waste for multiple 100k years remains completely unsolved, and that in a fairly small but populous country that has no equivalent to the Nevada desert.

            The energy that the final few plants generated was more than replaced by renewable build-out within the same year. In fact, at the height of German nuclear in the mid-90s, nuclear produced 30% of electricity, whereas renewables now produce 60% of German electricity. The reactors also evaporated used tons of river water, which is bad, given climate change. The reactors also tied Germany to a Russian-dominated supply chain, also bad, given geopolitical circumstances.

            German coal usage is now the lowest since the 60s; while granted, Germany is behind a number of countries there that have phased out coal entirely. And while yes, a wind park was demolished to enlarge a coal mine, and that is a terrible symbol, it is not much more than that.

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              https://euobserver.com/green-economy/arf0893c11

              This was not even two years ago. Germany killed old plants yes but stopped construction for new ones. Which resulted in an energy deficit compounded by a desire to move away from Russian gas, hence turbines being ripped out to expand coal.

              I have no idea where you’re getting “100k years of waste” from, that’s completely nonsense. Everything else about your comment even more so.

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                Cool, you have an agenda to push.👍

                I acknowledged that a wind park was dismantled, please read my comment. And it’s interesting to know that you just wipe away everything else as “nonsense”, without any argument.

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                  The only agenda I have to push is making sure our grandchildren have a future that isn’t a collapse to pre-industrial living if not total extinction. Nuclear is very much a leg of that future as much as renewables like wind and solar, but hydro needs to go for the massive damage it caused ecological systems. If that’s something you’re against then I don’t understand what horse you have in the energy race.

                  The rate of expansion and energy production, we need nuclear for base loads just as much as we need wind for flex loads. Every other solution is a delusional, a disservice or outright submission to corporate greed that got us in this mess to begin with.

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                    The only agenda I have to push is making sure our grandchildren have a future that isn’t a collapse to pre-industrial living if not total extinction.

                    In that case, please stop flogging fission. It’s a dead horse, albeit one that continues shitting radiation for multiple 100k years.