- cross-posted to:
- imageai@sh.itjust.works
- cross-posted to:
- imageai@sh.itjust.works
cross-posted from: https://quokk.au/post/6888554
Inspired by: “UK and France abandon plans to recognise Palestinian state at conference”
cross-posted from: https://quokk.au/post/6888554
Inspired by: “UK and France abandon plans to recognise Palestinian state at conference”
Sorry that your position is massively unpopular?
How is this post an example of that when it isn’t tagged?
Does “saying AI is bad” count as “significant bullying and harassment?” What about, “saying comments shouldn’t be removed for criticizing AI?” Because apparently those things count as, “trolling” so I’m not sure what standards you’re using here.
What data are you basing this ridiculous claim off? It’s already been thoroughly debunked. In reality most folks simply don’t care about it, or are ok with using genAI. That’s certainly true of our instance users, in any case. And looking at genAI posts in this community, they have way more upvotes than downvotes. Nobody has been able to explain to me how that equates to GenAI as being “massively unpopular”. It’s unpopular with a bunch of liberals on LW, and a handful of mostly western leftists who are so entrenched in the neo-liberal economic mindset that they can’t conceive of fighting against copyrights. Of course artists should be properly paid, but not via this ridiculous system of copyright law which mainly acts to protect corporate interests over individuals.
It is mentioned in the original post that it is an AI generated image, which is why this discussion started in the first place because it wasn’t otherwise obvious. I’m saying even though this post was tagged, it didn’t stop off-topic hate comments about genAI from derailing the comments.
This is a disingenuous comment. The removal reason for those off topic comments wasn’t “bullying and harassment” it was “comment trolling” which is why there were only removals and no bans. If the post isn’t about AI then yes, that’s just comment trolling as far as I’m concerned. Online bullying and harassment over this topic is absolutely occurring, whether or not you are aware of it. One case is documented in the !div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com community post I previously mentioned. We moderate this instance accordingly to the overwhelming majority preference of our instance users on this topic, and I don’t apologize for it.
I’m basing it off your claim that tons of people “troll” every time an AI generated image is posted.
No it isn’t. Where?
Any post that contains AI generated art is about AI.
Imagine if I killed a cat, drained its blood, and used that blood to paint a picture criticizing, I don’t know, drunk driving. Is that picture not “about” animal cruelty? Is is not valid to criticize the harm I caused in producing the art? Should any such criticism be banned and excluded from the conversation?
Anyway you’re free to die on whatever stupid reactionary hill you feel like, I guess I have no choice but to block the instance.
And I’m the one who’s dying on a stupid reactionary hill?? Lmao.
Gotta love how the people who claim AI is an evil that must be purged at infinitely more annoying and smug than people who use it for harmless memes.
not to speak for everyone here but the standard is that our community is very clearly marked as generally pro-AI and we get tired of seeing the same four half baked rhetorical points from people like you over and over again. frankly, if you’re upset by AI then you probably should block all of db0. we don’t want that here anyway, hence the rule. healthy discourse is fine but you’re sitting here making multiple comments about genAI in a post that has nothing to do with it. it’s a nuisance at best and inflammatory at worst. i feel for you when it comes to dealing with poorly marked or conveyed rules/enforcement. i agree the administration could make this more clear, especially for users using alternative frontends for lemmy.
most of us could actually not give less of a fuck, to be entirely honest with you. we’re more focused on actually contributing to things. some of us, namely, would like to focus on building and using machine learning toolchains without hearing about olympic size swimming pools or people’s unrequited opinions on “AI” every five fucking seconds. that’s because in this case, the popular opinion is the reactionary opinion. being anti-AI is a reactionary position and the popularity of it’s a reflection of the zeitgeist.
i think genAI is art, i think machine learning itself is art. the idea that the massive amounts of cognitive work accumulating over decades, that very talented engineers and researchers have poured their hearts and souls into just to be able to bring these systems into reality… the idea that is anything but a pure expression of the human condition - and hence art - is patently fucking absurd and i’m sick of seeing the anti-AI diatribe in any way, shape, or form. our admins are great. just because a position is popular doesn’t mean it isn’t fucking brain-dead stupid.
Then it should be open to criticism. The fact that criticism of it is being removed makes me not see it as art at all, frankly.
Your comment wasn’t removed for being criticism, it was removed for being reactionary. You’ve had it explained to you that this sentiment is considered reactionary here and thus isn’t allowed. We don’t allow other forms of liberal apologia either, even if they’re framed as “criticism” or “just asking questions”.
“Reactionary liberal apologia” is when you care about artists and the environment, apparently.
Nice strawman argument. Really showing which side of the fence you sit on.
are you fucking dense? like i seriously cannot tell if you’re serious or shitposting, and like, i’m being fr here i’m genuinely not sure and i’m not trying to be any more of a dick than some friendly ribbing might entail. like i don’t have any ill feelings for you but this just gets super frustrating after having this conversation so many times with so many people who seem utterly set on unfounded debate over rational dialectic.
it is open to criticism. lmfao. all you people fucking do is criticize it, endlessly, on social media.
can you not just let us have our own tiny fucking corner of the internet and leave us alone or is it really that much of a vendetta for you?
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That’s your prerogative, but I don’t think this hill is worth dying on. A Marxist Perspective On AI
Great post, thanks for sharing.
db0 is a leftist instance. we’re all anarchists for fucks sake, very clearly. don’t be dense, seriously.
just because you are ignorant does not mean we all must be. it doesn’t make one a fascist techbro to merely enjoy computer science and fucking math. sorry. i was unaware this was an anti-intellectual, anti-rationalist society.
either way i wish you well, i’m not trying to sling shit or anything. i just genuinely think your reactionary stance on AI, as well as the general societal sentiment, is grossly ignorant to the point of abandoning reason. it is upsetting. any number of db0 members could sit here slinging rote facts at you showing they’re not just “techbros,” there is a real and objective basis for their interest in machine learning; but you probably wouldn’t even bother considering or glancing at any of it because you’ve already decided your opinion on a topic you clearly are quite uninformed on the technical details of.
it seems like everyone who is anti-AI is just deadset on MAGA-esc fucking mental gymnastics. i’m honestly not convinced a large amount of anti-AI sentiment isn’t pushed by Chinese/Russian bots trying to compensate for their absolutely massive disadvantage to the United States in the arms race currently going on over machine learning and artificial intelligence technologies. the US accounts for like, anywhere from 50-70% of all global compute resources depending on who you ask. we have sources demonstrating the MAGA people and their stupidity/echo-chambering was definitively spurred by similar psychological cyber-warfare. if you can’t beat 'em, make their people immune to truth & reason.
Firstly, there aren’t Chinese/Russian bots on Lemmy, and secondly, you’re wildly underestimating China’s current standing and its velocity in machine learning & AI.
Never said there were, wasn’t a part of my original argument. I personally disagree with you and think that’s a naive take, but even if I didn’t, it doesn’t mean that there definitely aren’t such botnets active on every major social media platform; massively influencing public opinion and thus discourse on Lemmy and all other social media, even if indirectly. If you’re willing to object to the mere existence of large state-run bot farms at this point in 2025 then I have a bridge to sell you.
This is a more fair argument but I don’t think it’s particularly relevant.
Fact of the matter is that the large majority of the world’s computer and internet infrastructure is owned and maintained by American interests. If you don’t understand how that matters in this context then I think you are egregiously uninformed regarding machine learning and how this burgeoning sector of the economy actually works. Meaning, you probably shouldn’t be making such declarative statements on your opinion about it if that is the case.
China is the only other nation on Earth that might have a fighting chance against the US in an AI arms race, but, they’re still massively disadvantaged from an empirical point of view. Their only advantage over Americans is that the Chinese youth are all massively supportive of AI and AI infrastructure. China doesn’t have a large anti-AI movement due to a lot of factors but it mostly seems that in a collectivized culture there are less premonitions over things like genAI being “theft,” because ideas like the traditional Western conception of intellectual property are not common place. Whether or not this will be enough to overcome the sheer infrastructure advantage Americans have is yet to be seen. We’ll have to see how these tariffs, manufacturing, new infrastructure, and other facets of the economy actually shake out in these coming years. This stuff doesn’t exist in a vacuum, decisions made today are going to determine who “wins” tomorrow. China is certainly capable of building the infrastructure but there is still a lot of uncertainty surrounding the global economy, especially when it comes to things like fabs. Only time will tell.