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    1 day ago

    What a hot take, as if firearm owners are all the same, as if there are not left leaning gun owners.

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      6 hours ago

      Personal firearms have basically never been used to resist government tyranny in the US or entire rest of the developed world in modern times.

      What does consistently work is mass mobilization and turning out in numbers.

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          Yeah, did you read the examples you gave?

          Your literal only modern example is a case in Fiji, an island with a population the size of Nashville, Tennessee, and army of 6,500 people.

          And the coup was only successful because the special forces unit of the army that was run by a former SAS commander joined the coup and armed them.

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            IRA does not count? Really? The dropping of small arms for resistance fighters? Come on, you are getting as selective as you are wrong.

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              You’re referring to the Provisional IRA?

              Tell us again how successful they were in their goals of ending British rule in Northern Ireland.

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                Personal firearms have basically never been used to resist government tyranny in the US or entire rest of the developed world in modern times.

                Please show us where success was required in the request?

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                  Oh so you’re advocating for resisting in unproductive ways that don’t accomplish your goals? Glad to get that out in the open.

                  Also, the Provisional IRA primarily used military weapons leftover from WW2, modern ones to the era smuggled in from Libya, and homemade IEDs, so not a particularly relevant example.

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                    All those military rifles are legal to own in most nations with gun ownership. It is a very relevant example. Or are you advocating now that this only counts if the firearms are side by side shotguns and hunting rifles?

                    You are very much moving goalposts here and trying to put words and arguments I did not make in my mouth. Its not complicated, your point was no firearms where used to resist a tyrannical government in modern times, a point so completely incorrect as to be laughable.

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        24 hours ago

        And dems demonizing gun ownership. Seems it worked out great for the right (er) wing.

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          No, it really didn’t benefit them in any meaningful way.

          Widespread gun ownership has gotten an enormous number of innocent people killed though.

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            Well in the states yes, since it is seen as some sort of right and not a privilege that requires basic safety training. The rest of the planet seems to be more sensible.