I am a Linux noobie and have only used Mint for around six months now. While I have definitely learned a lot, I don’t have the time to always be doing crazy power user stuff and just want something that works out of the box. While I love Mint, I want to try out other decently easy to use distros as well, specifically not based on Ubuntu, so no Pop OS. Is Manjaro a possibly good distro for me to check out?
if you want an Arch based distro, Endeavour OS is more popular – Manjaro has had a few issues over the years
What even is an unbiased opinion? That doesn’t even begin to make sense.
That being said, my very biased opinion is that it’s a great way to install Arch without learning how Arch works so that when it inevitably breaks you don’t even know how to ask the right questions.
“Unbiased opinion” is an oxymoron.
As an Arch user this is how I feel about Manjaro as well. Installing Arch not only allows you to customize every aspect from the shell to the DE and more but also teaches you how to maintain and fix your OS when it breaks.
The best Arch-based distro is Arch.
I disagree. Not everyone wants to spend the time to completely customize their system. Distros like Manjaro and Endeavor give people a decent “just works” install while still giving them experience with the Arch ecosystem. The forums are usually a good resource, and everything on the arch wiki still applies. It might just be because I had previous linux experience, but I’ve learned a lot running Manjaro.
The average person is not going to jump straight into vanilla Arch as their first distro, but after a couple years with Manjaro, they might try it.
If you don’t want to spend the time to completely customize your system just don’t use an Arch based system. Seriously. Arch has some neat things about it, but it’s not the magical be all and end all of distros. If you don’t want to use what it’s good at use Mint, or Debian, or PopOS, or Ubuntu, or Fedora, or if you want something bleeding edge use OpenSuse Tumbleweed. You don’t have to use shitty imitation Arch if you don’t want to use Arch. You also don’t need experience with Manjaro to use Arch. I jumped straight into Arch after using Mint for years and it was fine. I still use Mint on my laptop and as a backup on my old drive I moved to my new computer just in case I do something stupid in Arch. Mint is great. I just like playing around with completely customizing my system. Why would you want something Arch based if you don’t care about the main thing it’s actually good at?
To answer your question: AUR. Aur is something that I love about Arch.
Also please stop gatekeeping. Installing Arch by hand instead of using something like EndevaourOS doesn’t mean anything. I used EndevaourOS after using arch simply because it was way faster and easier to configure. It still has all the functionality of arch (since essentially it is arch).
If you don’t want to spend the time to completely customize your system just don’t use an Arch based system
Thats the thing. You can still customize everything and anything. I mean what’s stopping you from using a tty and changing things? Also even the installer helps you customize a lot of things…
I’m not gatekeeping. Arch isn’t fucking magical. Do whatever you want. I just actually don’t get it. What’s the point? I don’t even use the AUR. It’s not that good. It’s an inconsistent mess of janky conflicting build scripts and trust me bro binaries, and you can get basically anything there in almost any distro nowadays. Hell, most of it’s on Flathub. You can also customize anything you want on any distro. Arch is just the easiest one to start from a very minimal system and build something up that’s totally yours. Why use a distro that only takes that away and adds nothing?
I agree Arch isn’t magical. And I’m more than aware of the issues with the AUR, however i disagree that everything on there can be found by other means. There are several programs (such as optimus-manager for nvidia and integrated video card laptops) which are pretty much only found on the AUR (Not counting Github). Again this is about ease-of-use (Since you could build my example from github as well).
Obviously you can customize anything anywhere, what sets Arch apart is pacman and aur. And again in the case of Manjaro and EndeavourOS these and the wiki are the main “selling points”.
Arch is just the easiest one to start from a very minimal system and build something up that’s totally yours
Minimal ubuntu and fedora exists as well. And if you were to customise them you’d end up with something that you like as well. But i see what you are saying and i agree.
There are certainly still a few edge cases where the AUR is the least shitty option, and if those apply to you then go for it, but my experience has always been that the more I use it, the worse my experience gets, and everything I need has had better options for a while now, and those edge cases where it even makes sense are rapidly dwindling. But yes, I was exaggerating how bad it is. There are still more than just a few uses for it. EndeavorOS is maybe okay if you want that without having to install Arch, but Manjaro messes with things enough that it’s not as compatible with the AUR as it likes to pretend to be.
And yeah, I agree, there are lots of ways to build up your own system. You can do it with any distro if you’re determined enough, and there are other decent options besides just Arch. I just find Arch to be the easiest one to do it with, and I like easy. It’s maybe counter-intuitive to say, but I like Arch specifically because it makes the things I want to do easier than any other distro does.
I have used it in the past for a few years. I don’t think you should. Why?
- The Manjaro devs are idiots. They have broken the AUR on multiple occasions.
- Their packages break more often than upstream Arch since you get update bundles which they release. This isn’t tested as well as it should and may lead to things breaking.
- Arch is also easier to install nowadays, if you really want a rolling release distro.
If you just want something not-Ubuntu and easy to use, I tend to favor Fedora personally.
I agree completely.
As a sidenote: If somebody wants something easy-to-use that is arch-based I’d suggest EndevaourOS.
I never recommend Manjaro, even for experienced users. Multiple times, they’ve let their ssl certificats expire, and renewing those has been easy to automate for a number of years at this point. There have been a number of cases where they ship work-in-progress versions of software as part of their default install, and there was an open letter posted calling this out: https://dont-ship.it
So in my opinion, Manjaro leaves much to be desired from a project governance standpoint.
Now, using an Arch-based distro that does the install process for you doesn’t absolve you from learning what it takes to maintain an Arch install; at some point, something will crop-up that requires manual intervention to get back up & running again after an update.
If that is what you’re looking for, I suggest EndeavourOS.
I used manjaro for a long while before I distro hopped and I think it’s a fine distro. Never had any problems with it. People keep pointing to the couple of times when it had some certificate issues. I don’t think it’s very relevant, and I only had positive things to say while I was using it.
if you want to use Arch, just use Arch
I love arch as much as the next guy but it can be a bit of a bugger to install. It’s reasonable to want a little more simplicity with all of the benefits of arch.
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Wouldn’t let it touch my system. Try Endeavor if you want to hop to an arch based distro.
May I ask why?
EndeavorOS was my first desktop distro and it’s a great beginner distro in my opinion. Most stuff is sanely pre-configured and dealing with stuff like Nvidia drivers and Steam is one click away.
From what I heard, Manjaro is very unpolished. The devs do weird stuff with the OS and their decisions are questionable if I’m not wrong. I think Manjaro isn’t as easy and stable as they advertised.
Regarding Endeavor OS, they say it is Manjaro done right.
Manjaro is very “polished” which is why many people that try it ( myself included ) love it and come to recommend it. Unfortunately, it is also low quality and poorly managed which is why many ex-users ( myself included ) would never use it again.
EndevourOS is Manjaro that works. It has no graphical package manager. You can install the one Manjaro uses easy but, sadly, it is unreliable and poor quality ( like Manjaro itself ).
I used to love Manjaro. It looks gorgeous ( to my eye ). Sadly, I now see it as a bit of a low-quality mess with governance issues. Manjaro broke my system more than once. Although I did not believe it when I used Manjaro, getting off of it has shown me that I regularly had AUR compatibility problems as well.
These days, I would recommend EndevourOS over Manjaro. It is just as easy in practice, I have found it to be far more stable. Once installed, EndevourOS is 99.8% the same as a well configured vanilla Arch. It uses the Arch package repositories natively.
Even more than Manjaro, I used to love Pamac and graphical package management. Now I think Pamac is garbage. It has caused so many problems for me. I mostly use yay to manage packages now. A really great middle ground between GUI package management and yay or pacman is pacseek. You have to use yay to install it but, for the times I may have missed Pamac, it has been awesome.
I’m not a fan for a few reasons, but they’re all on my end.
I will say, though, that if you “don’t have time to always be doing crazy power user stuff,” an Arch based distro might not be what you’re looking for. This is especially true of an Arch based distro that strays pretty far from the core distribution.
My suggestion would be to try Fedora or OpenSuse Tumbleweed instead. I’m a big Fedora fan, and it’s honestly great - much better than Ubuntu IMHO. It’s also easy to maintain and less prone to user-induced breakage than Arch distros.
If you’re looking for something even more different, but still not prone to breakage, then you might try looking into an immutable distro. Silverblue, OpenSuse Aeon, blendOS, or VanillaOS are all nice places to start looking.
I agree with this
What is your biased opinion on having unbiased opinions?
You can’t be unbiased.
really? Noooo!!!
I’ve had more success with Manjaro than any other distro. I’ve gotten lots of software working because of the great package manager, all using a GUI. I think it’s really easy to use and at the same time really flexible and powerful. I’ve tried to install Arch twice and failed both times. I guess I’m an idiot. Manjaro is easy to install and you get all the power a flexibility of Arch’s package management.
They say that the arch-installer is a great way to install Arch. In case you give it a try again. It’s bundled with the Arch Iso.
I tried it when it first came out but it kept failing due to a bug. I’ve been meaning to try it out again
I’ve used Arch, Manjaro, and Endeavour. For ease of use it’s between Manjaro and Endeavour and I’d pick Endeavour. Arch is great too. When you’re ready to go deeper, give it a shot.
I run Manjaro as my gaming rig and have had no real issues.
Me too. 🙌
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It does! But I recently gave Bazzite a try…yeah I’m not ready for this so-called atomic distro (it’s based on Fedora). I’m now, for the moment, settled on Garuda Linux (based on Arch). I’m liking it thus far, but if anything goes awry, I may head back to Manjaro. Garuda is much closer to Arch prime (running 6.8.9 linux-zen kernel where Manjaro is on 6.6.x still). And the chaotic-aur is actually kinda nice. Time will tell if I stick with it!
It sucks.
I’ve never used Manjaro, but I’ve used Arch (I don’t currently use it) enough to know where it went wrong. Basically, they’re trying to make a snapshot based distro out of a distro that’s not snapshot based, and they run into issues because of it. On Arch, if you have an issue, you revert and wait a couple days. On Manjaro, if you have an issue, you revert and then wait, a week? Two? Is there any reasonable assumption that the next snapshot is good? I don’t think they have the manpower to ensure snapshots are high quality, so they’re merely whatever existed at the time, perhaps with obvious issues fixed.
I currently use OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, which is snapshot based by design, while also being a rolling release. The way OpenSUSE works is by having all snapshots go through openQA, which means all snapshots (near daily) go through an automated test suite. So if something breaks, they’ll write a test and the next snapshot won’t have that issue.
So my opinion is to go with something release based (e.g. Mint) or bleeding edge (e.g. Arch), but don’t try to go somewhere in the middle unless you have a larger team. So either trust your user or your dev team, there shouldn’t be a middle ground.
I’ve never used Manjaro, but I’ve used Arch (I don’t currently use it) enough to know where it went wrong. Basically, they’re trying to make a snapshot based distro out of a distro that’s not snapshot based, and they run into issues because of it. On Arch, if you have an issue, you revert and wait a couple days. On Manjaro, if you have an issue, you revert and then wait, a week? Two? Is there any reasonable assumption that the next snapshot is good? I don’t think they have the manpower to ensure snapshots are high quality, so they’re merely whatever existed at the time, perhaps with obvious issues fixed.
I’ve used Manjaro for ~2 years, then switched to Arch. Had fewer problems when updating Arch than Manjaro and installing stuff from AUR is working much better.
If you don’t want to go through the Arch installation process (though it’s quite easy now with archinstall), you may want to take a look at EndeavourOS. I haven’t personally used it, but it has an easy installation like Manjaro and does not hold packages back
I used Arch for ~5 years on three different systems, so I’m pretty familiar with the installation process. My reason for leaving was two-fold:
- breakage, while infrequent, is annoying, and reverting isn’t straightforward
- I wanted to run the same tools on my desktop as my server, and I didn’t trust want to ruin Arch on my server
I needed to switch from FreeBSD to Linux on my server because I wanted to run docker containers, so I decided to try something different. OpenSUSE was the only realistic option that offered a stable server distro and a solid rolling desktop distro, so I switched my server to Leap and a year or so later switched my desktop to Tumbleweed.
Tumbleweed solves the first issue as well by running BTRFS by default on root with snapper configured. I’ve done a few rollbacks in the 3-4 years I’ve used it, and it’s way better than trying to fix an Arch system with pacman. I could get the same effect with Arch, but most users aren’t going to consider BTRFS or ZFS on root with Arch (I had BTRFS on /home on Arch, but that didn’t help much).
I think Arch is a fine distro and I certainly recommend using it to those it makes sense for. I also think EndeavorOS is a fine way to get into it, though I do recommend installing it once using the standard test based installer to mostly get familiar with the tools (I’ve had to chroot to fix Arch). However, it’s not my first recommendation, and I instead recommend Mint to anyone asking. I love Tumbleweed, but I’m not going to recommend any rolling release distro to someone unfamiliar with Linux. Release based distros break very rarely, and if they do, it’s usually at release upgrade where it’s expected, so mitigation isn’t as important.
Anyway, I think I’ll stop rambling now. In short, don’t use Manjaro, use either Arch or EndeavorOS if you want rolling, or a release based distro if you don’t.
This makes so much sense… I used Manjaro like 2 or 3 years ago and really loved it… Until it just died one day a couple months in. I spent a good amount of time troubleshooting and when I couldn’t fix it I gave up on it.
Figured since Manjaro came so highly recommended, Linux and I just weren’t enough on the same level yet and to give it some more time… But from reading all the comments in this thread, it sounds like I had the typical Manjaro experience.
Man, I kinda wish it wasn’t as commonly recommended. Hell even I’ve recommended it as I had a really good experience with it before it died and I assumed that was my fault; after all, so many people recommend manjaro that it’s more likely I alone was the problem, not the distro…
Yeah, and that’s the problem. It’s kind they gave all of the elitism of typical Arch users, but without the general stability to back it up. They try to make Arch more stable but holding back certain updates, but that just creates more problems because they don’t have the manpower to actually test that combination of packages.
If you want a “stable” rolling release, use Tumbleweed, they have a decent team that prioritizes testing. If you want a super customized setup, use Arch (or Void). If you want Arch, but don’t want to install it manually, use EndeavorOS. But don’t use Manjaro, it can break in unexpected ways because of how they manage their package repository.
But if you’re new to Linux, you should probably use Mint. It works really well out of the box, there are lots of flavors, and it’ll be easy to find guides and support.
I’ve been using Garuda, another arch based distro, for several months now that have been smooth sailing. If I start tumbling into trouble town again though, I will heed your advice and switch to mint. :)
It sucks. I’ve never used Manjaro
If you’ve never used it then it doesn’t suck half as much as your opinion.
I used Arch for long enough (~5 years) to have seen plenty of people blame Arch for problems unique to Manjaro. I’ve also been following PinePhone development hoping to jump in once it stabilizes, and Manjaro is the distro with the most problems by far. Most of the problems Manjaro has, they create for themselves by trying to make Arch “more stable,” whatever that’s supposed to mean.
Use what you like, but I just do not feel comfortable recommending Manjaro to anyone. I’ll continue to recommend Mint, Arch, OpenSUSE, and Void depending on what users are looking for.
He said it badly but his longer explanation was “I have never used it but I spent enough time ina closely linked community and heard enough horror stories to know that it sucks”. I mean, that seems fair actually.
My unbiased opinion is that for what it sets out to achieve (no hastle Arch Linux setup) there are better options. EndeavourOS is worth looking at. I’ll leave it to others to list the drawbacks of Manjaro’s package triaging approach. I’m still having my morning coffee in bed, so I’m typing this with one hand.
