I’m not trying to diminish anyone’s experiences with ketamine, or reduce anyone’s access to it, though I do think it’s funny everyone thinks that some asshole on the internet has that ability.
Are you able to stand up when using ketamine? How about run? Could you tell me your personal details such as name/date/address? Could you tell me the time? Could you remember your mother’s phone number? Could you take a bath? Could you safely use a knife? Could you melt into nothingness and lose all sense of self, physicality and emotion?..wait strike that last one. Of course you could.
Now we’re at the point that we all realize dissociation is to become stupid and incapacitated. Anesthitized even?
Ahhhhh, so you did come back to say more dumb stuff. I literally baby sat a group of friends on the stuff two weekends ago. Sure, they said some amusing things, but at least 95% of what they said was perfectly coherent and made sense. As evidenced by one of them saying “you know you’re getting old when you have more cos you’re lower back starts to ache”. By your description, that should not have been possible. Yet it was. Sure, you enter a k-hole and you’re good for nothing, but most K experiences don’t enter that and people can function fine enough on it - like most drugs the intensity of effect is dose dependent. But like I said in a previous comment, you seem to be stuck in the 1950s and their anti drugs hysteria.
Your friends were so stupid on ketamine that they needed a babysitter.
Let me just point out a few things. You could have said “in that case, all drugs make you stupid” which would have been totally valid. You could have said “at the dosage necessary to incapacitate someone, of course they would be stupid”, which of course is valid.
The whole point of my very first comment was to poke at people who love ketamine, and also those who read studies about ketamine and proceed to spread it like gospel.
There isn’t a recreational drug that exists that makes anyone temporarily smarter. They all make us temporarily more stupid. For some reason drug users get real uppity when you point that out, especially about their drug of choice. That’s not to say that something can’t be taken from the experience that helps someone, or that might inherently make them smarter or self aware. I was just simply stating that when on that drug, you are more stupid. I think that’s a lesson that a lot of drug users should be more aware of.
I’ve seen a lot of dumb shit happen because someone was mislead about a drugs effects. Hell, I have some K in a stash right now, but let’s not misguide people into thinking they will just be coherent floating brains. They may also be floppy dumb messes that may need babysitting for 45 minutes. Will they be just as smart afterward? Probably. But for those 45 minutes they are going to be stupid.
Good on you for being a trip sitter. You’re good people. People deserve to try drugs in a safe manner and that’s what leads to good experiences. Those good experiences are what those stupid people deserve.
I mean, that’s one way to interpret it. The way I intended it was that they were smart enough to have a sober friend with them in case of issues and it also meant they had a sober ride home that wasn’t gonna cost them a shit load in taxi/rideshare charges. Were all almost 40yo. We’ve learnt our limits. We respect them. We have fun. Hell, I’ve seen one guy balls deep into a 3 day MDMA binge jump onto his work laptop and legit solve a problem. To be fair to you, as he said himself “that was way harder than it should’ve been, and realistically I shoulda done it in half the time. But fuck. I did it”. And I think he nailed it right there. Like, yes, drugs alter you you and they can do it significantly. But they don’t all make you dumber. More impulsive, less guarded, all that shit. Sure. But they don’t all make you dumb. People have literally had scientific breakthroughs that had stymied researchers for decades cos of drugs. Sure,the list isn’t long, but it’s happened pretty regularly.
I’m not trying to diminish anyone’s experiences with ketamine, or reduce anyone’s access to it, though I do think it’s funny everyone thinks that some asshole on the internet has that ability.
Are you able to stand up when using ketamine? How about run? Could you tell me your personal details such as name/date/address? Could you tell me the time? Could you remember your mother’s phone number? Could you take a bath? Could you safely use a knife? Could you melt into nothingness and lose all sense of self, physicality and emotion?..wait strike that last one. Of course you could.
Now we’re at the point that we all realize dissociation is to become stupid and incapacitated. Anesthitized even?
Ahhhhh, so you did come back to say more dumb stuff. I literally baby sat a group of friends on the stuff two weekends ago. Sure, they said some amusing things, but at least 95% of what they said was perfectly coherent and made sense. As evidenced by one of them saying “you know you’re getting old when you have more cos you’re lower back starts to ache”. By your description, that should not have been possible. Yet it was. Sure, you enter a k-hole and you’re good for nothing, but most K experiences don’t enter that and people can function fine enough on it - like most drugs the intensity of effect is dose dependent. But like I said in a previous comment, you seem to be stuck in the 1950s and their anti drugs hysteria.
Your friends were so stupid on ketamine that they needed a babysitter.
Let me just point out a few things. You could have said “in that case, all drugs make you stupid” which would have been totally valid. You could have said “at the dosage necessary to incapacitate someone, of course they would be stupid”, which of course is valid.
The whole point of my very first comment was to poke at people who love ketamine, and also those who read studies about ketamine and proceed to spread it like gospel.
There isn’t a recreational drug that exists that makes anyone temporarily smarter. They all make us temporarily more stupid. For some reason drug users get real uppity when you point that out, especially about their drug of choice. That’s not to say that something can’t be taken from the experience that helps someone, or that might inherently make them smarter or self aware. I was just simply stating that when on that drug, you are more stupid. I think that’s a lesson that a lot of drug users should be more aware of.
I’ve seen a lot of dumb shit happen because someone was mislead about a drugs effects. Hell, I have some K in a stash right now, but let’s not misguide people into thinking they will just be coherent floating brains. They may also be floppy dumb messes that may need babysitting for 45 minutes. Will they be just as smart afterward? Probably. But for those 45 minutes they are going to be stupid.
Good on you for being a trip sitter. You’re good people. People deserve to try drugs in a safe manner and that’s what leads to good experiences. Those good experiences are what those stupid people deserve.
I mean, that’s one way to interpret it. The way I intended it was that they were smart enough to have a sober friend with them in case of issues and it also meant they had a sober ride home that wasn’t gonna cost them a shit load in taxi/rideshare charges. Were all almost 40yo. We’ve learnt our limits. We respect them. We have fun. Hell, I’ve seen one guy balls deep into a 3 day MDMA binge jump onto his work laptop and legit solve a problem. To be fair to you, as he said himself “that was way harder than it should’ve been, and realistically I shoulda done it in half the time. But fuck. I did it”. And I think he nailed it right there. Like, yes, drugs alter you you and they can do it significantly. But they don’t all make you dumber. More impulsive, less guarded, all that shit. Sure. But they don’t all make you dumb. People have literally had scientific breakthroughs that had stymied researchers for decades cos of drugs. Sure,the list isn’t long, but it’s happened pretty regularly.