I think it’s pretty safe to say that the majority of us are here to avoid another corporate takeover of our preferred platforms. It would seem to me to be a tad irresponsible to allow Facebook into our space with open arms, allowing them to hoover up our data. I would love to keep using Lemmy.world, but will happily change instances if need be, and I feel many share that sentiment.

  • rglullisAEnglish
    9941·
    11 months ago

    The Facebook hatred is understandable and justified, but defederating with Threads is a misguided idea:

    • Federation is not required for them to be able to pull the data. Even if you block an instance, they can still pull whatever they want.
    • By closing down with Threads, you’ll be basically guaranteeing that that all the millions of people that are there will never be able to migrate away.
    • By getting major (current) instances to defederate with Threads, it gets easier for Threads to just say “hey, we tried to be open but they still rejected us, so we are just going to go back to our walled garden.”
    • gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      139·
      11 months ago

      yes, very misguided. I always loved the idea of browsing “All” and see all top brands with millions of engagement promoting their products

        • Draconic NEO@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          11 months ago

          Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

          So yes but not exactly. It’s not as effective as you would think that an instance block would be if it doesn’t block the users. That’s not even addressing the fact that Lemmy’s blocking isn’t even really blocking it’s more along the lines of muting, it’s just named blocking.

        • gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          11·
          11 months ago

          that’s irrelevant. Nothing prevents the influencers to promote their products as they do in all the popular platforms. You’re thinking only in terms of ads as coming from an ad server but this is not necessarily the case.

            • gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
              1·
              11 months ago

              You’re complaining about ads that are being pushed on you by an algorithm from ad companies. I’m telling you there are no ad companies. Seems relevant.

              I never typed the word “ad”. I specifically said post of top brands. How can this be achieved in ActivityPub? Easy. When you are using lets say Threads, their proprietary system treats differently ads and normal posts. However, anything their system is pushing on the federated network (ActivityPub) is disguised as a normal post. A post that is having millions of engagement will be visible in “All”.

              Nothing prevents them from doing that right now.

              You act like you’re new to internet. What prevents them is that their audience is not here and companies are not paying them for that. However companies will pay them to promote their products in Threads. With the current numbers, Threads has the potential to dominate the “All” page.

    • freebee@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      84·
      11 months ago

      They’ll try to dominate the way the protocols evolve. Try to push more and more crap into it because they’re too big to ignore. Insert becoming ad, bot, corporate friendlier stuff. Fediverse doesn’t need meta. It’s nice and cosy and rather friendly here, I’ld like it to stay that way. It’s like Google dominates some “open source” and pushes browsers towards more and more DRM friendly etc. We don’t need that.

      • rglullisAEnglish
        113·
        11 months ago

        It’s nice and cosy and rather friendly here

        And absolutely irrelevant in terms of impact. We have at best a few hundred MAU on a good month. Facebook/Google/TikTok are controlling billions of people.

        If we truly believe in the superiority of the Fediverse and that it is possible to have an alternative social media for everyone, we need to go and fight Big Tech. Defederating on the grounds of “I like it the way it is” is coward, selfish and completely lacking ambition.

        • lazerCovenant@lemm.eeEnglish
          32·
          11 months ago

          we need to go and fight Big Tech.

          Fight them by…doing exactly what they want?

          • rglullisAEnglish
            3·
            11 months ago

            Do they want us to let them federate so that their users can use Threads as a stepping stone out of the walled gardens?

            • lazerCovenant@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              11 months ago

              Why would that happen?

              People who used Google Talk didn’t use it as a stepping stone to XMPP. They stayed on Google Talk.

              • rglullisAEnglish
                3·
                11 months ago

                Google was not charging people to talk on their network, and they didn’t make it harder to reach someone once they got it. So there was no reason for people to jump out. Facebook, on the other hand…

                When the internet was in its infancy, companies and small businesses first established their online presence by getting a aol.com or hotmail.com. Running your own email or website was still expensive and not something easy to do. Today, having “your own” social media and being in control of your brand is almost as easy as having your website and your domain. I am not saying that everyone will jump out of Threads, but if Threads ever gets successful enough to replace Twitter and if we don’t shut them out of the Fediverse before it happens, at least there will be an opportunity for small businesses/media orgs/influencers that want to keep reaching their audiences (like they do today on Twitter/Facebook/Youtube/etc) and also want to take control of their own presence.

      • Microw@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        11 months ago

        That’s not dependent on federating at all. Meta is a member of W3C, they can be a part of developing and evolving ActivityPub at any point without actively running a service with it.

    • sour@kbin.social
      2·
      11 months ago

      am get off old place without federation

      when were you supposed to be responsible for others independent actions

      • rglullisAEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        That’s the thing: actions from other users and from the key players are not “independent”. It is a social network, actions and reactions depend on the context and the relationships of everyone involved.