Honestly this is absurd. These death machines shouldn’t be legal in europe. That thing doesn’t even fit in the parking space, even though the parking lot has the biggest spaces in the whole city. The Golf Polo is so small in comparison, it could even hide in front of the engine hood of the truck.

EDIT: It’s a Polo and not a Golf, I don’t know my cars, sorry for that!

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    Both of them are used to transport mostly a single person at a time. Even the small one is too big.

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      Fuck cars, not just big trucks. They all tuck, they all are responsible for the harm done.

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      In the States, the same choads that drive tankmobiles tend to complain about fuel prices and how it’s all big gubmint’s fault for stealing their fun (fun being defined as the ability to do 95 mph on the interstate and still pay under $50 for a tank of gas).

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          Just yesterday I got gas for our car at a convenient price of 8.2$/gal (1.98€/l). E95, no idea how that compares to whatever the hell they sell on across the pond.

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            The last fuel station I saw on Sunday had E95 for €2.389/l - at a motorway in the Netherlands.

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    I’d wager a sizeable number of half-ton pickup trucks are used solely as people movers, i.e. the bed and towing capabilities aren’t utilized. In many countries, trade workers more than manage with light vehicles, like kei trucks in Japan, so I think they’d work for the average weekend warrior too.

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        A percussionist I know has a double cab van, I think it’s a Ford transit. It can haul 3 timpani, a drum, tubular bells, a bass drum and other smaller stuff all in one trip. And then it still has space for 5 people. Try doing that with a pick-up.

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          As a bass player, a VW Touran can fit two double basses and two people. Can’t do that in a pick-up.

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          Those are roughly the same size as a 150 though, aren’t they?

          Why is a behemoth of a van OK, but an equal sized pickup isn’t?

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            Because pick-ups are truly unfit for purpose unless the purpose is to increase your confidence and sense of safety on the road. We are always gonna need utility vehicles for specific purposes. A percussionist is not hauling drums on the train.

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        Can you forklift a pallet from the side? Nope the tub design doesn’t allow it unless you have a tray design.

        Can you load a large ladder on it? No ladder/timber rack.

        Is it good off-road? Perhaps, but the tub design over the rear tyres and back bumper make the departure angle poor, you’ll need rock sliders or a lift.

        I think I’ll stick to wagons and vans.

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        Show me how you transport a ton of gravel in your car please (and remember, a ton is more than the towing capacity of the vast majority of cars, so no cheating!)

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          The places around me will deliver it for quite cheap so the uh, 2 times in my life I need that I’ll just do that?

          How often does the average person haul tons of earthen materials around?

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              Professional delivery truck with a lifting bed to slide the earth off the back easily wherever you ask them to

              A specialized vehicle, not a crappy pickup truck

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              Never a pickup truck, that’s for sure. Usually a tilt bed truck in my experience. Not something you’d generally want to drive unless you’re moving gravel.

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            In my case multiple times a year… plus construction material, furniture, motorcycles… In the end I need to haul heavy shit multiple times a month.

            Yet, people would take pictures of my SUV and call me an idiot with no respect for driving a big vehicle… With a 4 cylinders that has a fuel consumption that’s the same (or better) as AWD cars that these same people don’t criticize???

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              I think its fair if people call you an idiot for buying an SUV to haul shit - there are far better vehicles for the job.

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                Yes, better drive a truck instead of taking my trailer with me just when it’s necessary, so I take more space and have worse fuel economy 👍

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                  I mean with reasoning skills like that I’m not sure you should be qualified to drive either of those things lol

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          I have a small trailer. Towing capacity of my 2003 Subaru WRX is 1500 lbs. So I guess two trips? Truth be told, that’s why I have the trailer. For when I need to move a decent volume of random crap for work.

          I don’t think the people here are complaining about pickups when used for work, but they are shit vehicles for daily driving. And, this is my personal opinion, crew cabs are usually not utilized to transport workers. More than not, I expect they are because they think they’ll take the family or kids in it. Even then they usually drive without any passengers.

          I get that a lot of workers don’t want to have two vehicles, but pickups are not good daily drivers.

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        Can’t fit an ATV in a van, and no I won’t use a trailer because I’m already using one. Trucks have their uses because vans don’t have an open top.

        Seriously discussion here always feels impossible. They’re sitting shit taking the truck while in a Euro city with great public transit. BOTH are unnecessary with the right context.

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          There are many things you can’t fit in a van. There are many things that fit in a van, but don’t fit in a pickup truck.

          Generally, a van fits more things, takes up less spacs, has a better visibility, are more efficient and don’t look ridiculous.

          And yes, believe it or not, there are vans that fit ATVs.

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              Yes, in both pickup trucks and vans.

              Let’s ignore that people have been using vans in Europe to haul heavy things for years. Let’s ignore that you can strap things down to the railing inside the van Let’s ignore the protective barrier between the driver and the cargo space.

              10/10 argument.

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                I have driven a van with a cargo barrier, it was rated for 90KG. Do you know how heavy an ATV is? More than that.

                The lashing points would also tear out in a big enough impact.

                You’re talking shit.

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                  I don’t care enough about towing ATVs, listing all possible vans, or you to continue this conversation.

                  All I know that, at least in Europe, we’ve gotten around fine for decades without pickups, and everyone in a pickup is assumed to be a knob or an american.

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    headlights shouldn’t be allowed that high on road vehicles, blinding menace on wheels.

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      Especially when they aren’t the normal yellowish ones and they have the strong, eye piercing white-blue ones. Fucking hate xenon headlights.

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    I also started to see more of these in urban areas of europe. Not a huge amount but still recognizable. I dont get why one would buy something like this. You wont even be able to find a proper parking spot for these.

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    Yes. Both cars fit the same amount of people but one driver is carrying a smaller package.

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    I think the most absurd is, that even former basic cars like the Polo get bigger and bigger. Modern Polos seem to take up more space than a gen. 1, 2, or even 3 Golf - but with barely more space inside.

    Effects are, they take up more public space when curb parking, perversely hindering their brothers to get through. Some just barely fit single garages built in the 50ies, totally inconveniencing the driver trying to get out. One’d thing people buying these would see these self created problems, but apparently not.

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      They don’t see their big car being the issue. They complain about parking spaces so small these days that they “have to” use up multiple/park halfway on the curb/block the biking lane.

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      Ok but a lot of that space is taken up by crumple zones and the like, things that make far fewer people die. Euro NCAP legislation drives a lot of the change you are seeing, and a lot of it for the better.

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      Yeah basically all modern cars have tiny interior volumes, even tho externally they are huge.

      As a comparison, my 2014 Nissan Note can maximally carry 2012 liters. The 2023 Renault Espace - a label whose name literally means spacious - can only carry 1818 liters. And that’s while it’s 50cm taller, wider and longer than the Nissan while weighing a whopping 50% more.

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        I don’t know about interior volume, but the only modern cars that I’ve been in that I actually considered spacious on the insides are those newer Civic models. Like from 2015 or so. My friend has one of them, they’re decently compact from the outside, but my god the only time I’ve had that much legspace and headroom in a car was in vans.

        Now, admittedly, you’re not gonna be hauling sofas and fridges with one, but as a people mover and grocery getter? Really damn good.

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        Exactly. I honestly think my 2 door saloon has more capacity than all these light SUVs.

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      Seriously this is actually a good point. While most trucks are overkill for daily driving if you do a lot of hunting, fishing etc you have to deal with transporting dead/gross things home surprisingly often. It’s nice to have a totally separate compartment that you can simply hose out. Again not for everyone but that’s a legit use case a family friend has for their truck.

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        We all know.

        “They have there usage”.

        Yes, we know. Does a ranger/hunter use this parking lot on their way from home to the woods? Nope.

        I’m coming off a bit angry, I don’t mean it. But every post about ridiculously huge, gargantuan trucks has a comment about the edge case usage.

        But that’s not our lived reality. In our lived reality 99% of these trucks don’t have any additional usage of that sort. Their owners just want to have them.

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          I know you know, and I get the point of this community is to limit car use in favor of public transportation, bikes etc. I support that and that’s why I’m here.

          Should trucks be waaay less common on our roads? Yes and I think that times will change and smaller more practical trucks (think 90’s toyota hilux or todays ford maverick) will be much more common. But there are people out there that have no idea that those edge cases exist and that’s worth mentioning because they do have a place, just not a prominent one, especially in cities.

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            We’ve got a Volvo V60, it’s a little big for my tastes, but when you’re carrying a family, an estate car comes in very handy.

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        If stacked on one another, a van would always hold more luggage than that truck would with even better mobility on major roads. There’s no justification for the existence of that monstrosity.

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        Yeah definitely, so many animal carcasses are transported in EU on daily bases by everyday citizen for sure…

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        As annoying as these big fat cars on the road (I am from third-world country, and most roads here aren’t designed for these trucks), I can totally get its purpose — to store mid-to-heavy loads, and a mini-bedroom in case you’re stuck.

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          I’m a big fan of the “mid size trucks” in the old school Toyota Hilux sense. Way smaller and way more practical for more people

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      You would be surprised 😂 To be precise, I’m not talking about corpses but I saw smaller car transporting 8-10 living Roma people with no issue.

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    It seems like a lot of people here don’t understand that circumstances might be different in different places. This post itself assumes the only reason is to transport people, but the truck can do more than that.

    If I lived in a rural place and needed something that could tow, transport, and go over tougher terrain, I could see the usefulness of having a truck around. Not everything is in a comfy city where everything is within a couple miles.

    Now where I currently live, I’d never dream of getting a truck like that. So much hassle and the roads are too small. But I could see it being useful for someone else.

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    Get the Ordnungsamt involved, it’s illegal to park like that. It’s too heavy and big to try to park like a car.

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      What do you mean? They’ve specifically designed it so that when it ruptures all of your internal organs you don’t have to suffer through living any longer

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    However, only a single car possesses the ability to signal your fellow drivers about the astonishingly delicate nature of your masculinity.

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    In most of the EU, you’ll get a hefty fine for parking on the pavement. Take a picture wirh the license number and report anonymously.

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        Define what you think “a Karen” is, because I don’t think you understand what you’re typing, and just trying to be “cool” on the internets.

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            Define what you think “a Karen” is, because I don’t think you understand what you’re typing, and just trying to be “cool” on the internets.

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              “Karen” is a gendered slur that everyone is pretending isn’t misogynist and abusive towards people named Karen until (checks calendar) 2025.

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            That’s not what a Karen is at all. A Karen reports someone for doing things that arent a crime and that’s why they’re unreasonable (often against people of color). Like when that woman called the cops on that dude leaving his own home.

            Also parking on the pavement is dangerous and reduces accessibility for other people navigating that. So yes, report them.