Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728
Ahoy mateys!
A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.
But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …
More context
Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.
As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …
Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.
In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.
Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated
i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it
Its funny… regardless if its the Web of old, IRC channels, a real life small gardening commune (Kleingartenverein) or now here on the Fediverse - there will always be petty wars to be fought. Perhaps its part of the “human experience”, who knows…
Why do you write like you learned to talk from watching anime?
Whether or not you agree with db0’s decision, framing it as a mere “petty war” is disingenuous.
it’s a “petty war” because nobody that is a part of either side has any real power to change the world, and they are both willing to die on their respective hills just to prove to the other that “you” are wrong.
the fight itself is less than noteworthy that in a few weeks nobody will remember or care unless they stood on their hill.
As opposed to your whining about it in purple prose, which is very important and note worthy.
The members of db0 who don’t want to see and hear Zionists indeed do have the power to change their instance and did, so I don’t get what you mean by saying they don’t have the power to change the world so it’s petty.
did you feel that? I just changed the world.
with my fart.
I mean, if you and I were arguing about whether or not you could fart, and you demonstrated you could fart, yeah.
TIL that containing a zionist infestation is a petty war.
If you count fighting with righteous fury in a little niche corner of the Fediverse which in itself is also a pretty tiny niche corner of the net everything other than a petty war… well, i guess everybody needs a hobby.
“fighting with righteous fury” my dude it was a vote. Don’t over sell it.
Why do you feel offended by the fact that another instance wants to ensure a safe space for its users?
I wouldn’t use the term “offended”… I think “amused” is better fitting, the same I would feel about a conflict in the “Kleingartenverein”
“Und noch was, ich bin nicht wütend. Bitte schreibt nicht darüber dass ich wütend wäre”
the german wants everyone to know how NOT MAD they are
Lol. You sound incredibly mad
Except that the “Zionist infestation” is a fictional construct in this case. db0 is fighting ghosts.
Those who deliberately kill innocent people lose the right to be considered the resistance. They should kill the fucking IDF. But not kids at a music festival or random civilians.
False. Resistance group are still resistance group even when they commit crimes. They still have the right to continue to fight Isrsel currenctly commiting genocide.
You would reject all the resistance mouvements and their sacrifice in previous occupations with your logic
All violence in a settler colony, including the violence perpetrated by and against the colonizers, is the fault of the colonizers.
You’re right, they should be given:
to make sure they can more efficiently kill only soldiers.
Since we’re wishing for things, I also wish every “Israeli” genocide supporter would just disappear without the resistance having to do anything.
What a dehumanising and despicable statement. The people murdered by Hamas did nothing wrong. Certainly nothing that could justify their deaths. They did not colonise anything either; they were simply born there.
This conflict really brings out the worst in some people. On the one hand, they blame the murder of innocent people on colonialism, and on the other, on the alleged human shield tactic.
This contextualisation, relativisation and, in some cases, romanticisation of human suffering is absolutely disgusting and must stop.
It’s extremely telling that you read this:
And concluded that it meant “every ‘Israeli’ who died deserved it”. It actually meant “some of them didn’t deserve to die, but their deaths are still the fault of ‘Israel’ because it’s a colonial project that cause this to happen”.
Yeah, it did happen because of colonialism. It’s also extremely telling that you present these statements as equivalent, as if “‘Israel’ is a settler colony” and “Hamas use human shields” are equally valid statements. The first is a very basic, correct analysis of the nature of the state, which the most important early zionists (such as Herzl and Ben Gurion) not only agreed with but were proud of. The second is a racist lie designed to try to excuse genocide.
“Israel” literally uses human shields, by the way. They have actually tied human beings to the front of their vehicles in the past.
My point is that you gloss over the suffering of innocent people while excusing the actions of the respective murderers, just as people on the other side do. Namely, as a necessary and inevitable consequence of the other leaders’ actions. You argue structurally against the innocent victims using the same logic as the supporters of the IDF.
It is a reversal of perpetrator and victim to appease your own conscience. An exaggerated and thus dehumanising tribalism that draws legitimacy for crimes against innocent people from the crimes of another group of actors. It is a misanthropic and cynical logic with which any atrocity could be justified (which is, of course, done constantly around the world).
Hamas and IDF supporters are equally malicious and disgusting. The murder of innocent people is always and fundamentally wrong. Leftists must reject and fight it.